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#151

We should at least ban the "preemptive" pardon if not all pardons. Pardon means forgiveness for a specific convicted crime, not a means to grant blanket immunity.

We "should" do many things that aren't feasible, like this or anything else that requires a Constitutional amendment.

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#152

We should at least ban the "preemptive" pardon if not all pardons. Pardon means forgiveness for a specific convicted crime, not a means to grant blanket immunity.

There are two types here: (1) Pardons for crimes not yet committed. (2) Pardons for crimes committed, but not yet convicted. The first type will allow the pardoned to commit a crime in the future for free, which obviously should not be allowed. The second should be allowed if we have this pardon system at all. The second type became a political necessity, for example to protect Liz Cheney from a vengeful administrati…

> a political necessity, for example to protect Liz Cheney

IANACL but surely there are other ways to protect people from politically motivated prosecutions? E.g. jail anybody attempting to direct the DOJ for personal or political reasons?

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#153
post #151

We should at least ban the "preemptive" pardon if not all pardons. Pardon means forgiveness for a specific convicted crime, not a means to grant blanket immunity.

We "should" do many things that aren't feasible, like this or anything else that requires a Constitutional amendment.

Modifying pardon powers requires a constitutional amendment? That’s wild.

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#154
I've yet to see any justification (not even a bogus one) for why the pardon power needs to exist in the modern world. It seems to have been invented originally as a counterbalance against corrupt or crazy judges. We have other ways to deal with that problem now.

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#155

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There are two types here: (1) Pardons for crimes not yet committed. (2) Pardons for crimes committed, but not yet convicted. The first type will allow the pardoned to commit a crime in the future for free, which obviously should not be allowed. The second should be allowed if we have this pardon system at all. The second type became a political necessity, for example to protect Liz Cheney from a vengeful administrati…

> a political necessity, for example to protect Liz Cheney IANACL but surely there are other ways to protect people from politically motivated prosecutions? E.g. jail anybody attempting to direct the DOJ for personal or political reasons?

Yeah, but it seems those other protections would/could possibly be a coin toss (eg a successful defense in a trial) and quite costly even if they never get to that stage, and you need a bit more certainty than that. Otherwise help can only come from those willing to become martyrs

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#156
post #94

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There is no universe where any pardon is abolished unless there is a massive political shakeup. The entrenched political class is terrified of endangering their power and privilege even if individual players are ready to do it.

I've often wondered what would happen if a president explicitly offers to pardon anybody who murders members of Congress. Would they settle on reigning in the pardon power with an amendment? We're sort of already there. A lot of the Jan 6 rioters were openly trying to murder congressmen. The fact they weren't successful isn't super reassuring.

Congress can propose amendments but it takes 3/4 of the states to ratify them.

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#158
post #127

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"Time to move on" is used only when someone in power is guilty. Happened with Nixon. Mitch McConnell basically said the same thing about Trump after J6 insurrection. And I think Garland believed the same thing when he did not move fast enough to investigate Trump. People believe in law and order when rich and powerful face the same consequences as the common man for their crimes committed and not when they are let of…

I do think Garland made a massive mistake. Nixon resigned; Trump did not. Nixon largely disappeared, as most former Presidents do during their successor's term. Trump was still communicating crimes and clearly intended more. I'm drawing a kind of fine and possibly meaningless distinction here. I think Ford made the best decision he could at the time. Garland had the benefit of hindsight: he saw the way the corruption…

> Nixon resigned; Trump did not.

Well, yeah. They learned from Nixon!

Fox News was founded by Roger Ailes with the explicit intent to prevent another Nixon situation. Not the "criminal President" part, mind you; the punished (Republican) President part.

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#159
post #118

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That's what Biden did for Hunter right?

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> perhaps the greatest example of corruption in us history.

Donald Trump started a war with Iran to distract from the Epstein files, where he is mentioned thousands of times and credibly accused of raping a minor. But yeah, hunter biden. Most corrupt in US history. Sure.

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Are you for real - apart from almost everything Trump has done? Did you miss how he picked an AG and prevented release of the Trump-Epstein files even though he signed into law a bill requiring full release with only redaction of victims. Did you miss the daily breeches of the emoluments clause? Did you miss the pardoning of the Jan 6 people who hunted people down, set up a gallows, and those who tried to murder poli…

> You can't be serious.

They're not serious. They're a partisan actor who knows exactly how absurd it is to say something like that. They're just here to spread chaos.

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