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Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by taurath »

jhartwig80s wrote: post #336
roysting wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My assumption based on many factors is that it is precisely why the carpet surveillance systems like Flock are being rolled out in preparation. There are people in control who don’t make 1, 5, or 10 year plans; they make 20, 50, 100, and 500 year plans; and they know human nature quite well, which allows them to of not predict, have an anxious understanding for what their plans will cause and what needs to be prepare…

The flock systems are being installed by cities not the feds. You make it seem like someone has some master plan. Does not make flock any less dangerous but its not as organized as you make it seem.

It doesn’t need coordination to be organized and have the same incentives. Just like the wave of consolidation in media. Dario and Sam don’t need to talk to know what is in both their interest.

The concentration of wealth is at an all time peak. The top 1% own more stocks than the other 99%. Nobody thinks about that hard enough. The callousness by which people’s livelihoods dignity and safety are threatened is tremendous

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Post by WarmWash »

BloondAndDoom wrote: post #155

Can someone help me to understand why OpenAI and Anthropic talks as if the future of humanity controlled by them? We have very strong open (weight) Chinese models possibly only 6 months behind of them, gene is out of the bottle, is 6 months of difference really that important? And they don’t have good reasons for that 6 months to stay that way. Am I missing something or are these just their usual marketing? I’m not a…

GLM 5.1, widely held up as the model at the heals, perhaps ever surpassing western models....

Gets 5% on ARC-AGI2 private set.

Chinese models are suspiciously good a benchmarks.

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by zug_zug »

Tyrubias wrote: post #103

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> Violence like this is not the answer.

I know people pretty reflexively downvote questioning this, but I question this. I think some people are afraid that even asking this moral question is somehow inciting violence.

I think it's quite believable that the possibility of force is actually essential to keeping institutions in-line. Certainly a lot of civil rights progress was a lot less peaceful than I was taught in school.

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by angoragoats »

riazrizvi wrote: post #340
Tyrubias wrote: post #103

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Altman didn't create AI. That disruption is already coming no matter what. He's a fine enough steward of the tech. And what's this garbage about selling to the military? You pay taxes? You fund the military. Without security you can't protect your nation or your allies, and enemy nations would do as they please. Yet another citizen who benefits from a system while trying to attack it.

> Altman didn't create AI.

No one said he did.

> That disruption is already coming no matter what.

[citation needed]. Depending on what you mean by "that disruption," I might even be willing to bet against it coming at all.

> He's a fine enough steward of the tech.

He's a manipulative con-man who is mediocre at everything except convincing investors to give him money. If the tech is truly as revolutionary as it's purported to be, he absolutely should not be a "steward of the tech."

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Post by jbverschoor »

daseiner1 wrote: post #342
Tyrubias wrote: post #103

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Words and writings (law) only have power because of violence (the monopoly of it)

So yes, in essence, it seems like violence is the answer.

When (perceived) justice is gone, the monopoly crumbles because the system is not working.

And this perception can have many causes

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by Chance-Device »

Just take a second to consider this: if HN, probably one of the less reactionary places on the internet, and one of the most capitalist-friendly, is this angry at this point, before the mass job losses even start, what in the name of God do you think the general public is going to be like when they’ve been going on for years?

If nothing else there’s a serious self-preservation incentive for AI CEOs to sort something out that doesn’t get them lynched, because it’s not looking good.

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Post by kakacik »

Tyrubias wrote: post #103

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Sociopath who rides high ego wave and drinks his own kool aid, acting highly amorally and then complaints that his actions have some (benign) consequences.

Why do we care what he thinks? Lets discuss his work if we have to, not emotional pondering and feeling victim.

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by daseiner1 »

scruple wrote: post #302
slater- wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turns out the article was not in fact incendiary.

Incendiary. Is he trying to suggest the journalists are at fault here?

"I am firm, you are obstinate, he is a pig-headed fool."

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Emotive_conjugation

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Post by username223 »

ghshephard wrote: post #272
BloondAndDoom wrote: post #155

Can someone help me to understand why OpenAI and Anthropic talks as if the future of humanity controlled by them? We have very strong open (weight) Chinese models possibly only 6 months behind of them, gene is out of the bottle, is 6 months of difference really that important? And they don’t have good reasons for that 6 months to stay that way. Am I missing something or are these just their usual marketing? I’m not a…

Do any of the open weight models from smaller labs exist if they can't distill from the SoTA models that are throwing billions of dollars of compute into pretraining?

Does it matter? The frontier models stole the whole internet, then the second-level models stole from them… It’s all theft.
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