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Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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They tried it a long time ago, but it seems to be rolled back to Windows again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux I hope our French friends can learn from this initiative during the adoption phase.

I seem to remember many people saying it was done by the mayor because Microsoft moved their German headquarters > Reiter denied that he had initiated the reversal in gratitude for Microsoft moving its German headquarters from Unterschleißheim back to Munich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux

I would say that's kind of a conspiracy-y explanation. Big companies in Munich either have their campuses on the outskirts of the city so that people can commute and park without flooding the city or they have it in the heart of the city as that is seen as more prestigious.

Lots of companies have flip flopped based on this, and that's what happened in MS case.

Tbh not saying MS didn't play dirty in general, but not necessarily in this.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Who is accusing Linux as the cause of anticheat not working? I haven't ever seen that, I see people blaming the anticheat creators for not supporting Linux, they know Linux is not the one at fault yet they still want to play games therefore they use Windows instead.

You didn't read the thread? It's the comment I was replying to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47718255 They quote "If a game has an aggressive anticheat" and then state "The determination of the average Linux user to ignore the faults of Linux", which is accusing Linux of being at fault for the aggressive anticheat not working.

I did not read that to mean that Linux is at fault, I usually would use "X's faults" colloquially to mean drawbacks, not literally, X is at fault and therefore responsibility for this.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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> Isn't it about time someone developed one? Honest question: Why? If you want a Windows-like environment, run Windows. I get this all the time when people ask about a Linux equivalent for something, and aren't really satistied when it doesn't work or look the same. Linux isn't a clone of Windows. Linux comes from an older heritage, and has a unique culture. You are in for a hard time if you want to use Linux like yo…

What's the Linux version of AD and group policies? (honestly curious; linux sysadmin at scale not my day job)

AD is LDAP+Kerberos, which has existed in the Unix/Linux world long before Microsoft bastardized it. So pick any of half a dozen LDAP server implementations and any of 3 or 4 Kerberos implementations and use those. If you want point-and-click/drool interfaces, use FreeIPA. If you really want it to look like AD, use Samba 4. Even Windows boxes will hardly know the difference.

Group policies don't exist and won't ever exist on Linux. Group policies are LDAP entries that are copied on system boot and user login into their respective parts of the local registry. Software may then read, interpret and use those registry entries. On Linux that wouldn't work for numerous reasons. First, on a multiuser system rebooting to apply configuration changes is not viable. On windows that's apparently fine because its single-user anyways, and reboots are an accepted fact of life. Also, to apply a system policy that is intended to limit what a user could do, asking the user's software nicely via registry entries is stupid and insecure. Lots of software won't even read the registry and have group policies that it will obey. Want to get around an Internet Explorer Group policy? Use Chrome or Firefox!

So what you do instead on Linux is: If it's just configuration, just copy it over, using the usual text configuration formats that are common on Linux. There are lots of tools to do this, starting from simple hack jobs like using scp to full configuration management systems like ansible or puppet. The "group" part is handled by those systems as part of their function, you can easily group/subgroup/discover/inventory/parameterize. If it's policy, so you want to restrict what a user can do, you use the higher-privileged layers of the system to put in actual restrictions, not just "group policy" suggestions. You can configure the user's home directory to be mounted noexec, so software execution after an unauthorized installation is impossible. You can put them in containers, namespaces, limit their resources and system access using cgroups, filesystem permissions, and more fine-grained permission systems like SELinux. If you are so inclined, you can forbid the user from opening files starting with the letter 'f', using eBPF syscall filters (this will of course break everything, but I needed a stupid example ;). All those can also be configured with your configuration management system of choice.

Just as a comparison: Our windows team needs 3h just to re-image a laptop, just for windows. After that, all the software needs to be reinstalled, all the data copied over. Then, after 2 days and 10 reboots or something, it will have picked up all the policies, updates and things and maybe be usable. Our Linux installation takes 45 minutes. Including all the software that was previously assigned to this system, including all the settings. It will be fully updated, configured and usable after the first reboot.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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All the comments about Linux gaming make me want to give my $0.02. I've been gaming on Linux, with no Windows installed anywhere, for around 6 years. In the first 3 years, it was a massive pain. Games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. would consistently have issues with mouse input, weird acceleration, a lot of games wouldn't run at all. This is NO LONGER the case at all. Things run very well out of the box. All games I want to pl…

For me the biggest surprise was that old ps2 usb racing sim wheel+pedals just worked instantly with linux, and I could use it in dirt rally without any pains. It felt amazing. oculus quest 2 also works very well with alvr, even wirelessly.

I got a Quest 2 recently and Steam Link would not connect, ALVR would crash after a while, but WiVRn work perfectly on my Arch Linux with a AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT. It's nice that we have multiple options.

I assembled a PC last year from used parts specifically to try gaming on Linux after two decades with only the occasional FreeCiv or MineTest, and the experience with Steam is mostly painless. Impressive!

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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> If a game has an aggressive anticheat, like Battlefield 6 or Valorant, it will not work and you can forget about it. Yeah this is why I stick with Windows. Unlike it seems a lot of people on HN I don't really see any issues with it that would want to make me move away, especially as I already have WSL if I do need Linux, as WSL has GPU passthrough.

> I don't really see any issues with it that would want to make me move away If you don't care about privacy issues or ads in your face, then yeah Windows is pretty good. I care a lot about that (and open source in general) so for me it's way worth it. But everyone is different and that's ok

I don't, no (otherwise I wouldn't use Google and their ecosystem either). I also don't see any ads people talk about either, I run ad blockers everywhere so maybe that's why.

Vague concerns about privacy are not strong enough reasons for me and most others, based on OS market share, to move away when the concrete reality is we can simply play more games on Windows. The only reason Linux gaming is getting good is because of Valve funding it heavily in the past few years for their own products like the Steam Deck, and to move away from an OS they have no control over in Windows, not because of privacy concerns which I guarantee you 99% of Steam Deck users don't give a shit about, they just want to play their games.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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No it makes no sense at all. I do my gaming on Arch. Windows sucks and I hope to see the demise of Microsoft during my lifetime(crosses fingers).

Most of their revenue is tied to other stuff though 1. Productivity / Business (~43%) Includes: Microsoft 365 (Office, Teams) - these can be likely ported to Linux if they're not already since they also work on MacOS? LinkedIn Dynamics (ERP/CRM) ~$120.8B 2. Cloud (~38%) Includes: Azure (runs on mostly linux, and moving cloud provider as a big corp is expensive, I don't see massive companies stuck in azure infra movin…

> Microsoft 365 (Office, Teams) - these can be likely ported to Linux if they're not already since they also work on MacOS?

I thought the Mac versions were not a full fledged port and were missing features present in Windows.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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What is a power user in this context? Someone deeply familiar with Windows and has tons of Windows related setup/applications? That doesn't sound like a government worker... They rely on Microsoft Office, but the actual operating system could be anything. The only non-portable application is video games really. While LibreOffice may not have complete excel functionality, the vast majority of functionality can be repl…

I imagine the biggest thing they need to open up is Outlook.

And if the decision away from Windows is an indicator, they will likely be moving email clients as well

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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You didn't read the thread? It's the comment I was replying to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47718255 They quote "If a game has an aggressive anticheat" and then state "The determination of the average Linux user to ignore the faults of Linux", which is accusing Linux of being at fault for the aggressive anticheat not working.

I did not read that to mean that Linux is at fault, I usually would use "X's faults" colloquially to mean drawbacks, not literally, X is at fault and therefore responsibility for this.

Ah well then we have a slightly different interpretation. I would read "the faults of " as "the flaws of ", which would then imply a flaw of Linux is why aggressive anticheat doesn't work when it is just companies deciding it isn't worth their time.

FWIW, I am not alone in that interpretation since this commenter reached the same conclusion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47718389

But I don't think we can conclusively say either one of our interpretations is correct.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Group Policy and Active Directory are dead, for all intents and purposes. It's now Intune (via OMA-DM), and Entra. Both of those products are about as bad as you might imagine the "cloud" versions of GP & AD might be. They are better, in ways -- no longer having to care and feed for domain controllers is nice, and there's no longer an overhead for additive policy processing, so endpoints only get a single set of poli…

> Ask me a decade ago what an enterprise should do, and my answer would be straightforward: AD, GPO, Exchange. That was also the answer two decades ago. But if AD and GPO are now dead, what killed them and what are the options? Is the problem mobile and BYOD? I’ve been primarily on Macs since that time where endpoint management isn’t much, so there are fewer knobs to fiddle with. In some ways it’s nice in that admins…

> "if AD and GPO are now dead, what killed them and what are the options?"

The changing world. AD and GPO come from the mid 1990s before pervasive internet, before WiFi, before Cloud computing, before people had multiple computers, before iPhones, before AWS cloud infrastructure, before Kubernetes, before cheap fast hardware for virtualization, before cheap bulk storage, before BYOD and WFH and everything-as-web-app. Before that was the world of isolated 8-bit machines, expensive Solaris workstations and Unix mainframes with expensive admins, and after say 1998 the world was cheap Compaq/HP/IBM hardware running Windows server and Windows 9x desktop, and after about 2003 it was Windows Small Business Server (AD, GPO, SQL, Exchange, SharePoint) and XP Pro desktops.

Cracks started showing when people wanted to logon to a laptop away from the office when it couldn't refresh policies, run logon scripts, talk to domain controllers; when people wanted 'offline files' from a company file share while away from the office, but wanted their corporate email to work when their laptop was online but not pull down company settings over a dialup modem. More cracks when they got a Blackberry or iPhone, more when AppStores appeared and people expect to be able to install whatever they like, more with the rise of Apple Macbooks, with the growth of website based services people can use from anywhere, more with Amazon AWS where company infrastructure is on someone else's premises, more with BYOD and WFH, more with people expecting software to be cost-free, being trivially able to spin up Linux web and database servers because there was plenty of CPU/RAM/Disk and no worries about licensing costs.

> "it’s nice in that admins can’t screw around too much with my system"

If it's a company device, it isn't your system. The company has legal oblications and practical concerns that conflict with your desires as an individual. That might be pushing full-disk encryption or updates, or auto-locking, or restricting use of USB or websites to block potential customer information leak points, or trying to stop you saving work locally that might be lost if the device fails, or trying to stop your device being an entry point for malware or ransomware, or trying to stop you screwing around with their system which costs them employee time to fix and your downtime while it's broken.

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