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The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Wow. I knew the current administration was bad but this is something extra. It also shows the short-sightedness of the "scholars" in the administration. Sure, the Avignon Papacy did occur, that's historical fact. It's also a historical fact that the Catholic Church is an actually ancient power broker in the world still and they have been around for much, much longer than the United States. The Church is actually quit…

> I saw a headline in NYT today saying this current historical situation is the United States "Suez Crisis" moment.

From the get go it looked like an engineered "Suez Crisis", on the inside and out. Nobody with real power is that dumb.

> Hard to disagree and hard to see how America recovers from this.

Hard or not, there's no alternative to recovery.

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This is hilarious. You think middle school students know about the Avignon papacy? They don't even know about the Ford presidency.

I think you are missing the key qualifier with a passing interest in history . I absolutely knew of the avignon papacy in middle school.

I have more than a passing interest in history and this is the first I heard of the Avignon Papacy, which I of course never heard of in middle school.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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The DoW regularly engages foreign ambassadors on defense matters eg military cooperation, NATO issues, basing, security policy, etc Any exec branch dept can communicate directly with foreign diplomats, and ambassadors are accredited to the USA as a whole, not exclusively to State

> Any exec branch dept can communicate directly with foreign diplomats, Fair enough, but summoning an ambassador is not a regular form of communication, and well out of the purview of DOD.

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Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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I would reluctantly have to agree. The current administration is the culmination of something like 30 years of effort.

I'd say closer to 90-100. At least since the New Deal, but probably since the times leading up to it. The America First movement in the lead up to WW2 who thought we should side with the Nazis is indistinguishable from the America First movement today, which is comprised of Nazis.

It's a sombering thought that Germans were not all nazis, their government was. Right now USA has a lot of (semi)closet nazis both in economic and political positions of power.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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As long as you're making fun of people twisting Christianity to suit their goals I guess this is funny. But imagine how frustrating it must be for genuine believers in a Jesus who says, "Blessed are the peacemakers," and, "Bless your enemies and do not curse them," who are now victims of both the original twisting and the future ridicule to come (not to mention those being led astray).

The twisting started with Paulus

He certainly has his critics, but in my view it’s absurd to place him next to the Crusades, Inquisition, et al…

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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The third group ends up joining the Russian Orthodox church.

I imagine that's the case in a lot of Europe but the Russian Orthodox Church doesn't really exist in the US, especially post-Ukraine war.

One of the biggest sources of gossip in my gramma's life was when the Russian church muscled out the old Kadets-descended priests and laypeople in her little Florida ROCOR church, right around the Canonical Communion with the Moscow Patriarchate in 2007.

Almost instantaneously we were up to our ears in slick guys with shiny suits making improbable real estate deals with money that just apparated from Lord Knows Where. I have a high tolerance for sketch, but Easter services rose past that threshold rapidly; there is only so much leopard print and fishnet I can take when walking around a tiny church at 2 AM.

Offtopic, but during that period, between 2007 and when gramma passed, I noticed another fascinating phenomenon. The old grannies would talk about some young gangster or other "finding their Jewish granma". I chalked it up to the usual venomous levels of Russian antisemitism[1], but a couple news stories later, and I'll be damned if there wasn't a brace of these jokers claiming Right of Return, supposedly from some Jewish relations they lost track of pre-WW2. Now, I'm not accusing anyone of anything here, but if I was a Russian gangster looking to move money around, and I look at the Right of Return, and then I think to myself about how, uh, lackluster records keeping was on the Ostfront . . I mean, the idea of maybe falsifying some family records might cross my mind. And maybe, if Israel needs some cash, maybe there's a renegade political party that needs some outsiders, they won't check those records super hard, either.

And that's how mischief in history happens right there.

[1] Particularly among the generation that got chased out with the Whites, the "last boat from Kaffa". To their dying day that generation basically considered Communism to be the "fist of the Jew" smashing the old order, and they carried that grudge their entire lives. I know, oof.

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It sounds like some hothead idiot driven by the big orange hothead idiot prompted Claude about how to threaten the Vatican and then used its talking points on the ambassador. So "calculated" maybe, but only because AI could come up with the answer, I have serious doubts that many of these people possess more than basic literacy much less the ability to come up with something like this. Or some CIA analyst who hates t…

You’d be surprised. A lot of religious people are extremely knowledgeable about historical stuff related to their religions. They might draw the absolutely worst conclusions from their historical knowledge and have incredibly biased takes but they’ve actually read and discussed these things which is more than you can say for your average person. It ultimately comes from their personal identify being so intricately ti…

I believe you are correct. The person who delivered this threat is a grandson of William Colby (ex-CIA director, ex-OSS, arch-Catholic).

Elbridge Colby is also Catholic, and some of his religious beliefs factor into his policy preferences. Groton, Harvard BA, Yale Law, hard-to-get service medals.

I’m not saying I like the guy, but his knowledge and background should not be underestimated as some nearby are doing.

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America has been in an ongoing conflict with Cuba since 1959. Trust me, American insanity know absolutely no bounds, the rest of the world needs to wake up and do something about it

I still prefer American insanity to Russia or China flavours.

Remember this claim in ten years

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Just read the fucking article, what is wrong with you

Laziness, and only marginally caring about this international drama that affects me not in the slightest

Oh I am so excited to see what happens to you next from this.

But you'll never connect the dots. It will be "just" a layoff, "just" higher prices for everything, "just" a mortgage of 10% and stagflation everywhere on Earth.

Buckle up, my insouciant friend; you will find the future both hard and surprising.

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