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The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by bluGill »

embedding-shape wrote: post #32
water_badger wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well, ~21% of americans are catholic

"are Catholic" is so fuzzy though. "identify as" and "practices" are wildly different experiences, at least on the receiving end. I'm sure that percentage is mostly consisting of "identify as" rather than "practicing".

For this purpose identify is enough - as anyone who identifies will be horrified even if they otherwise don't care about the church. Many non-Catholics (including non-Christians) are also horrified even though they otherwise don't care about what the pope says at all.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by ruffrey »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #24

Lot of Catholics are MAGA aren't they? The few I talked to recently were really anti-woke, like 'woke' is ruining the world. Very Maga. How does this land with them?

In my Catholic circle, there are broad views on different policies. There are both political affiliations and lack of affiliation. For example, the official Catholic position is pro-life and pro-migration/pro-immigrant/mercy toward migrants. There's strong patriotism too. Doesn't fit cleanly into left vs right US politics at this time.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by toyg »

colechristensen wrote: post #30
pavel_lishin wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't sound like a heat-of-the-moment reference, but a very calculated one based on this line from the article: > According to his sources, Colby’s team picked apart the pope’s January state-of-the-world address line by line and read it as a hostile message aimed directly at the administration.

It sounds like some hothead idiot driven by the big orange hothead idiot prompted Claude about how to threaten the Vatican and then used its talking points on the ambassador. So "calculated" maybe, but only because AI could come up with the answer, I have serious doubts that many of these people possess more than basic literacy much less the ability to come up with something like this. Or some CIA analyst who hates t…

Not taking these people seriously is how we got here. Please stop making that mistake. These people are insane.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by nprz »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #24

Lot of Catholics are MAGA aren't they? The few I talked to recently were really anti-woke, like 'woke' is ruining the world. Very Maga. How does this land with them?

Abortion is a central issue to Catholics and as a result Catholics often vote republican. Not sure how many would consider themselves MAGA, though. Also curious to see how this issue lands with the group. The party that votes pro-life is now bullying the pope demanding he redefine Catholic doctrine to support whatever wars the US decides to wage.

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

ecshafer wrote: post #67
colechristensen wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like some hothead idiot driven by the big orange hothead idiot prompted Claude about how to threaten the Vatican and then used its talking points on the ambassador. So "calculated" maybe, but only because AI could come up with the answer, I have serious doubts that many of these people possess more than basic literacy much less the ability to come up with something like this. Or some CIA analyst who hates t…

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No, they really aren't. But I wouldn't put it past "trad" types.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by Arodex »

Analemma_ wrote: post #43
mullingitover wrote: post #33

Time in minutes after which christian nationalists will form a circular firing squad once they've cemented their grip on the US government: 2 The past which the 'make america great again' people want to take us back to absolutely loathed Catholics, something I don't think modern Catholics realize. The colony of Maryland was originally intended to be a safe place for Catholics, and the first chance the Puritans got, t…

Yes, the stupidity and shortsightedness of American Catholic integralists like Vermuele is stunning to me. If America does ever become a Christian theocracy, it's going to be a Protestant theocracy. It wouldn't be an altar-and-throne continental monarchy, it would be more like Cromwell's England, where "Papists" were considered enemies of the state. Do these guys not remember that Jack Chick wrote just as many comics…

Another member of the "Leopards eating people's face (but surely they won't be eating MY face)" party.

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by delichon »

> a diplomacy that promotes dialogue and seeks consensus among all parties is being replaced by a diplomacy based on force

The history of American diplomacy is mostly of an iron fist wearing a thin glove. This administration removes the glove. It is in line with the transparency of the Department of War v. Defense. Consensus is the label they put on the package of sausages to save face.

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