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US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by jerlam »

wildzzz wrote: post #16
whynotmaybe wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if you're a nation with few resources or in emergency situation. Creativity in the US military as always been associated with a lot of $ for contract with the private sectors. Yes, many countries are now using cheap drones to destroy targets but I'm not sure the US military has the mentality to adapt to this situation because they're not "really" at war. How would highly ranked personnel react to the idea of a 4…

They'd just add a zero to the quantity to be delivered instead.

Drones are bullets, not delivery systems like aircraft carriers and machine guns.

The US military already deploys a copy of the Iranian Shahed drone. They aren't $400 but the Shahed isn't that cheap either.

Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by hagbard_c »

juancn wrote: post #15

The Chinese YKJ-1000 is reported to cost $99000 per unit, is hypersonic and has a range of ~1300 KM. It's looking like the US needs some disruption on their armament suppliers, kinda what SpaceX did for space launches. Compare that to the 1.5M each of the JASSM cost.

Thus far Chinese weaponry has not shown to be as effective as promised. Maybe this YKJ-1000 is the exception, maybe it is not. Maybe exported versions of the weaponry have been crippled in some way, maybe not. The future will tell. The future, also, which I expect to bring down the price of western weaponry, probably not as low as the Chinese equivalents but closer to those than to those demanded by the old defence dinosaurs.

Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by vorpalhex »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #19
vorpalhex wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then taking down the Maduro regime and the Iranians who are both Russian allies, arming Ukraine, and enabling out-of-theater sinking of Russian ships?

> ...and the Iranians Russia is playing both sides of this. They're able to continue to deepen the dependency precisely because Iran has few allies while also raising the price of crude oil to enrich their coffers. A few Iranian lives are nothing to them. All you have to do is to look at the other side of this: if Iran were to open up and be integrated into the world, who loses? Russia. > ...arming Ukraine, It certai…

Out of $188B of authorized aid for Ukraine, $109B has been disbursed incl 2025/2026 deliveries, with an additional $72B continuing to be disbursed per original timeline.

https://www.cfr.org/articles/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine

You have to get at least the most basic facts correct. If you get even those wrong, you need to throw out your entire worldview and the sources that generated that worldview and start over.

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Post by vorpalhex »

stldev wrote: post #8
vorpalhex wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then taking down the Maduro regime and the Iranians who are both Russian allies, arming Ukraine, and enabling out-of-theater sinking of Russian ships?

Madurismo without Maduro. Ukraine? Sure, after extorting them for campaign help (minerals later) while Russians murdered their families. And we're not "enabling" the sinking of any Russian ships.

Venezuela has bulk freed their political prisoners and is on track to hold elections.

And I think you will find Ukraine lacks the necessary satellite constellations to enable very long distance corrected boat strikes. Yet strangely Ukraine has suddenly been successfukly performing trajectory corrected boat strikes.. at very long distances.. Seemingly launched from not Ukraine.

Or maybe Russian oil terminals just keep magically catching fire... along with their ships.. You know, the ones the US didn't interdict.

Could be. Could be.

Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by stanfordkid »

hagbard_c wrote: post #24
juancn wrote: post #15

The Chinese YKJ-1000 is reported to cost $99000 per unit, is hypersonic and has a range of ~1300 KM. It's looking like the US needs some disruption on their armament suppliers, kinda what SpaceX did for space launches. Compare that to the 1.5M each of the JASSM cost.

Thus far Chinese weaponry has not shown to be as effective as promised. Maybe this YKJ-1000 is the exception, maybe it is not. Maybe exported versions of the weaponry have been crippled in some way, maybe not. The future will tell. The future, also, which I expect to bring down the price of western weaponry, probably not as low as the Chinese equivalents but closer to those than to those demanded by the old defence d…

What's your source for this? There isn't really a lot of credible, publicly available information on what you're saying... just anecdotes. In the India v. Pakistan conflict recently a French produced Indian Rafale was downed via a Chinese long range air-to-air missle (PL-15) from a a Chinese produced J-10 jet. Even if they don't have the same hit rate, you can buy 10x for the same price.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/how-pakis...

Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by CharlieDigital »

vorpalhex wrote: post #25
CharlieDigital wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...and the Iranians Russia is playing both sides of this. They're able to continue to deepen the dependency precisely because Iran has few allies while also raising the price of crude oil to enrich their coffers. A few Iranian lives are nothing to them. All you have to do is to look at the other side of this: if Iran were to open up and be integrated into the world, who loses? Russia. > ...arming Ukraine, It certai…

Out of $188B of authorized aid for Ukraine, $109B has been disbursed incl 2025/2026 deliveries, with an additional $72B continuing to be disbursed per original timeline. https://www.cfr.org/articles/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine You have to get at least the most basic facts correct. If you get even those wrong, you need to throw out your entire worldview and the sources that generated that worldview and start over.

    > You have to get at least the most basic facts correct
Seems like you need to get the facts correct. From your own source:

    > Since Trump assumed office in January 2025, there has been no legislation or other authorizations of significant new aid to Ukraine. However, a substantial amount of the aid **appropriated under the Biden administration** is still in the pipeline, and deliveries of aid packages have continued, although on two occasions **the Trump administration temporarily paused some deliveries...Nonetheless, the lack of new aid commitments means that U.S. aid deliveries are running out**.
    > 
    > After some initial restrictions, the Biden administration eventually permitted Ukraine to use ATACMS to strike inside Russian territory. **The Trump administration initially blocked use of the missiles in 2025, though Ukraine announced their use later in the year. The Trump administration considered providing Tomahawk cruise missiles to Ukraine, as requested by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, but ultimately chose not to do so**.
Look carefully at the first graphic and notice when those 5 aid bills were signed into law. I'll give you a hint: before Trump assumed office in January 2025.

What's your position? That Trump is sympathetic to the Ukrainian cause and has been a great supporter and ally of Ukraine?

    > You need to throw out your entire worldview and the sources that generated that worldview and start over.
Maybe you should start by reading your sources first.

Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by budman1 »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #5

> If Lockheed dedicates the entire Troy, Alabama line exclusively to JASSM-ER and produces zero LRASM anti-ship missiles, the maximum rate is 860 per year. That drops the timeline to 2.2 years, but it means the Navy gets zero of the anti-ship missiles it would need for a Taiwan contingency. China wins by literally doing nothing. US losing on manufacturing, automobiles, renewables, human talent, global good will, etc.

This is a back of the envelope, not cognizant of all of the factors, estimate.

We don't know what the pacing item of the manufacturing is. It could be sub-assemblies from another company, raw materials, final assembly workers, facilities for final assembly, or a lack of capital to address these shortcomings.

Double the price you are willing to pay, and I bet the rate goes up a lot. You can build a new building in 6 months. In 90 days you can hire and train enough new workers for a third shift.

At the current demand, and the current sales price, and the current planned procurement's, that is all LM can make....

Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by CharlieDigital »

budman1 wrote: post #29
CharlieDigital wrote: post #5

> If Lockheed dedicates the entire Troy, Alabama line exclusively to JASSM-ER and produces zero LRASM anti-ship missiles, the maximum rate is 860 per year. That drops the timeline to 2.2 years, but it means the Navy gets zero of the anti-ship missiles it would need for a Taiwan contingency. China wins by literally doing nothing. US losing on manufacturing, automobiles, renewables, human talent, global good will, etc.

This is a back of the envelope, not cognizant of all of the factors, estimate. We don't know what the pacing item of the manufacturing is. It could be sub-assemblies from another company, raw materials, final assembly workers, facilities for final assembly, or a lack of capital to address these shortcomings. Double the price you are willing to pay, and I bet the rate goes up a lot. You can build a new building in 6 m…

I have a saying I use with clients: "anything is possible with time and money".

Certainly, anything is possible. But this is a current and present risk if China were to make a move in the next month (if we agree that anything is possible). Author is saying "this is a clear and present risk", not that "this can't be solved with time and money".

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