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US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

maratc wrote: post #9

> By September 2016, Lockheed Martin had delivered 2,000 total JASSMs [...] to the USAF. [0] So probably another 1k plus all production of the last 10 years is all that's left in stock. Nothing to see here, moving along. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158_JASSM

More: They produce 396 a year when they already have 20 times that number in stock. If they don't have 20 times that number in stock, can they produce more per year? As CharlieDigital noted, yes, they can, though at the price of lower or no production of LRASM missiles.

Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by whynotmaybe »

zulux wrote: post #10

Good. They were sunk costs. This opens it up for newer ideas - the age of hideously expensive missiles is over.

Only if you're a nation with few resources or in emergency situation.

Creativity in the US military as always been associated with a lot of $ for contract with the private sectors.

Yes, many countries are now using cheap drones to destroy targets but I'm not sure the US military has the mentality to adapt to this situation because they're not "really" at war.

How would highly ranked personnel react to the idea of a 400$ drone, cheaper than an AR15, when they usually discuss budgets about aircraft carriers (or a few 100$million F35) ?

I wonder how many potential contractors would add a 0 to the price just to be taken seriously.

Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by nprz »

troyvit wrote: post #7
nprz wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it was Putin that was walking into DC every other month demanding the US strike Iran...

Maybe it's not a question of if the administration is compromised, but rather who is doing the compromising. Hell why can't it be both?

Yes, the infamous Russia lobby who spends lavishly on virtually every sitting congress member's campaign[0]. The Russian oligarchs who donated 100 million on Trump's reelection[1]. It's all so obvious.

[0] https://www.trackaipac.com/congress [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/25/us/politics/miriam-adelso...

Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by juancn »

The Chinese YKJ-1000 is reported to cost $99000 per unit, is hypersonic and has a range of ~1300 KM.

It's looking like the US needs some disruption on their armament suppliers, kinda what SpaceX did for space launches.

Compare that to the 1.5M each of the JASSM cost.

Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by wildzzz »

whynotmaybe wrote: post #13
zulux wrote: post #10

Good. They were sunk costs. This opens it up for newer ideas - the age of hideously expensive missiles is over.

Only if you're a nation with few resources or in emergency situation. Creativity in the US military as always been associated with a lot of $ for contract with the private sectors. Yes, many countries are now using cheap drones to destroy targets but I'm not sure the US military has the mentality to adapt to this situation because they're not "really" at war. How would highly ranked personnel react to the idea of a 4…

They'd just add a zero to the quantity to be delivered instead.

Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by someguydave »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #5

> If Lockheed dedicates the entire Troy, Alabama line exclusively to JASSM-ER and produces zero LRASM anti-ship missiles, the maximum rate is 860 per year. That drops the timeline to 2.2 years, but it means the Navy gets zero of the anti-ship missiles it would need for a Taiwan contingency. China wins by literally doing nothing. US losing on manufacturing, automobiles, renewables, human talent, global good will, etc.

Yeah but the upside is that the elderly got to keep most of the federal tax revenue

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Post by recursivedoubts »

someguydave wrote: post #17
CharlieDigital wrote: post #5

> If Lockheed dedicates the entire Troy, Alabama line exclusively to JASSM-ER and produces zero LRASM anti-ship missiles, the maximum rate is 860 per year. That drops the timeline to 2.2 years, but it means the Navy gets zero of the anti-ship missiles it would need for a Taiwan contingency. China wins by literally doing nothing. US losing on manufacturing, automobiles, renewables, human talent, global good will, etc.

Yeah but the upside is that the elderly got to keep most of the federal tax revenue

i don't think this has much to do with the elderly

Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by CharlieDigital »

vorpalhex wrote: post #4
4fterd4rk wrote: post #2

I'm not saying the Trump administration is compromised/influenced/managed by Russia but if they were I don't see what they'd be doing differently.

Then taking down the Maduro regime and the Iranians who are both Russian allies, arming Ukraine, and enabling out-of-theater sinking of Russian ships?

    > ...and the Iranians
Russia is playing both sides of this. They're able to continue to deepen the dependency precisely because Iran has few allies while also raising the price of crude oil to enrich their coffers. A few Iranian lives are nothing to them. All you have to do is to look at the other side of this: if Iran were to open up and be integrated into the world, who loses? Russia.

    > ...arming Ukraine,
It certainly appears that you've been in a bunker.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/what-to-know-about-trumps...

    > The White House said that the U.S. is "pausing and reviewing" its Ukraine aid to "ensure that it is contributing to a solution." The order will remain in effect until Trump determines that Ukraine has demonstrated a commitment to peace negotiations with Russia.
    > 
    > The decision comes days after an explosive meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, in which Trump and U.S. Vice President JD Vance said that Ukraine's leader hasn't expressed sufficient gratitude for American support.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/04/us-military-ai...

    > The Trump administration has suspended delivery of all US military aid to Ukraine, blocking billions in crucial shipments, as the White House piles pressure on Kyiv to sue for peace with Vladimir Putin.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/04/europe/russia-ukraine-militar...

    > Russia welcomes Trump’s cut to Ukraine’s military aid

Re: US fired 1k JASSM cruise missiles in 37 days. Lockheed makes 396 per year

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Post by CharlieDigital »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #18
someguydave wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but the upside is that the elderly got to keep most of the federal tax revenue

i don't think this has much to do with the elderly

It certainly does.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/age-generati...

    > About two-thirds of voters ages 18 to 24 (66%) associate with the Democratic Party, compared with 34% who align with the GOP.
    > About six-in-ten voters 80 and older (58%) identify with or lean toward the GOP, while 39% associate with the Democratic Party.
https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-americans-vote-and-ho...

    > How does voting behavior differ by age?
    > In 2024, 47.7% of citizens between the ages of 18 and 24 voted, compared to 60.2% of 25- to 44-year-olds, 70.0% of 45- to 64-year-olds, and 74.7% of people 65 and older.
Older voters have higher turnout and skew heavily Republican.
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