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US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by steve-atx-7600 »

avidiax wrote: post #159
pageandrew wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? Do you seriously think the US just agreed to accept Iranian nuclear enrichment?

Israel, I would think, would claim that Iran getting the bomb would be existential to them, so I don't think it's reasonable to think that Israel would agree to allowing enrichment. I'm a little surprised that recognizing Israel as a nuclear power isn't in Iran's list of demands, considering how destabilizing it would be.

Yeah, but they’ll just keep killing every nuclear scientist that gets closed to doing anything like they’ve been doing for decades.

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Post by oa335 »

smcnc wrote: post #237

I don’t see how the majority of comments paint this as a victory for Iran. Your entire formal military apparatus was destroyed, nuclear sites in rubble, defense industrial complex leveled, two levels of leadership KIA, and the only thing preventing you from permanent destruction or regime change is an impotent threat of attacking ships? I guess I’m missing something. War sucks but in this case Iran is a shell of the…

> Your entire formal military apparatus was destroyed

How are they still firing missiles and downing aircraft?

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Post by none2585 »

smcnc wrote: post #237

I don’t see how the majority of comments paint this as a victory for Iran. Your entire formal military apparatus was destroyed, nuclear sites in rubble, defense industrial complex leveled, two levels of leadership KIA, and the only thing preventing you from permanent destruction or regime change is an impotent threat of attacking ships? I guess I’m missing something. War sucks but in this case Iran is a shell of the…

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Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by Bubble1296 »

Rotdhizon wrote: post #195
chatmasta wrote: post #126

Better article with text: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/07/trump-iran-w... > Israel will also agree to the two-week ceasefire, Axios reported, citing an Israeli official, adding that the ceasefire would enter effect as soon as the blockade of the strait of Hormuz ceased There’s the catch.

The US is one thing but there is no possible way Israel will stop bombing. They will openly say they will, and continue to do so. It just gives them more breathing room to calculate bigger and more serious strikes. Israel has literally nothing to lose. The US is taking all the heat for any actions in Iran. Israel and Iran are mortal enemies, one can not continue to exist while the other lives, this is how they view i…

I believe from what I have heard and read that Israel will likely only stop if US formally withdraws military support in a sense that they stop supplying weapons (?)

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Post by cjbgkagh »

surgical_fire wrote: post #164
robinsoncrusue wrote: post #138

Always look at the actions, not the talks. Reality on the ground is: US has been amassing troops in tens of thousands. Their mercenary IDF is claiming territory like a field day. Market has barely capitulated (which is the only thing this admin care about). I expect this is just Trump buying time until he launches ground invasion after two weeks of failed negotiation. You don't spend millions sending tens of thousand…

Tens of thousands of troops are not really enough to invade a country the size of Iran. The US used an order of magnitude more in Iraq, which had a third of the population, and a smaller and more geographically forgiving territory.

And the IEDs were in the ground not flying overhead. Asymmetric war has completely changed the math.

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Post by throw0101c »

robinsoncrusue wrote: post #138

Always look at the actions, not the talks. Reality on the ground is: US has been amassing troops in tens of thousands. Their mercenary IDF is claiming territory like a field day. Market has barely capitulated (which is the only thing this admin care about). I expect this is just Trump buying time until he launches ground invasion after two weeks of failed negotiation. You don't spend millions sending tens of thousand…

> Reality on the ground is: US has been amassing troops in tens of thousands.

The 2003 invasion of Iraq had 500,000 troops, for a country smaller in area than Iran and with fewer people.

The current 50,000 US troops isn't going to do much against Iran as a whole.

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Post by throw0101c »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #191
surgical_fire wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tens of thousands of troops are not really enough to invade a country the size of Iran. The US used an order of magnitude more in Iraq, which had a third of the population, and a smaller and more geographically forgiving territory.

Yeah, but the Iranian armed forces have been obliterated...

Just like it's nuclear program…

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Post by steve-atx-7600 »

avidiax wrote: post #87
100ms wrote: post #48

I don't understand enough about the US system of government. Are there any hopes of seeing Trump unseated before his term is up? If not for the astonishing damage he's doing to the western world, then only for the sheer fatigue from having every media outlet saturated by him on a daily basis.

Barring something catastrophic happening, I would bet that nothing will unseat Trump until January 20, 2027, at 12:00 PM (noon). At that point, when J.D. Vance is inaugurated, he would be allowed to run and serve for 2 additional full terms (10 years total as president). Before that, his partial term would count as a full term, and he could only run, win and serve one additional term. This is all based on the 22nd Am…

Trump has power because he shows up to a rally and tons of folks join. People want to follow him. JD who?

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Post by smcnc »

oa335 wrote: post #262
smcnc wrote: post #237

I don’t see how the majority of comments paint this as a victory for Iran. Your entire formal military apparatus was destroyed, nuclear sites in rubble, defense industrial complex leveled, two levels of leadership KIA, and the only thing preventing you from permanent destruction or regime change is an impotent threat of attacking ships? I guess I’m missing something. War sucks but in this case Iran is a shell of the…

> Your entire formal military apparatus was destroyed How are they still firing missiles and downing aircraft?

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

Rotdhizon wrote: post #195
chatmasta wrote: post #126

Better article with text: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/07/trump-iran-w... > Israel will also agree to the two-week ceasefire, Axios reported, citing an Israeli official, adding that the ceasefire would enter effect as soon as the blockade of the strait of Hormuz ceased There’s the catch.

The US is one thing but there is no possible way Israel will stop bombing. They will openly say they will, and continue to do so. It just gives them more breathing room to calculate bigger and more serious strikes. Israel has literally nothing to lose. The US is taking all the heat for any actions in Iran. Israel and Iran are mortal enemies, one can not continue to exist while the other lives, this is how they view i…

> Israel has literally nothing to lose.

Israel has a lot to lose, the question is only how much of the lost will be replaced by american taxpayers' money. They're almost out of anti-air interceptors, the war they started in lebanon is going badly and iran still has tens of thousands of drones left. There's also hamas and hezbollah and more and more of the world is turning against them, be it in proper politics or even mundane stuff like the eurovision.

And it's not just the aljazeera and similar media, the israelis said it themselves: https://www.timesofisrael.com/zamir-said-to-warn-cabinet-tha...

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