Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

theguardian.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

41–50 of 1001 posts

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

#42

Post by mupuff1234 »

master_crab wrote: post #41
mupuff1234 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Declaring someone an enemy does not automatically lead to war. America considered the USSR an enemy of democracy for 50 years. They never went directly to blows.

Sure, but Iran did sponsor proxies that did attack Israel. And whether something is direct war or proxy war feels more like meaningless semantics imo.

Historically speaking I think it's clear Iran has been the aggressor in this specific conflict.

Not that I think Israel took smart actions, but that's a different matter.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

#43

Post by 3eb7988a1663 » 

  "We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to negotiate. Almost all of the various points of past contention have been agreed to between the United States and Iran, but a two week period will allow the Agreement to be finalized and consummated."
The ten point plan which had previously been rejected outright? The 10-point plan which leaves Iran in an incredibly better financial position? So, apart from blowing up children, what did the US gain out of this?

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

#45

Post by rasz »

US just agreed to:

Commitment to non-aggression

Continuation of Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz

Acceptance of uranium enrichment

Lifting of all primary sanctions

Lifting of all secondary sanctions

Termination of all UN Security Council resolutions

Termination of all Board of Governors resolutions

Payment of compensation to Iran

Withdrawal of U.S. combat forces from the region

Cessation of war on all fronts, including against Hezbollah in Lebanon

TLDR US lost the war, hilarious.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

#48

Post by 100ms »

I don't understand enough about the US system of government. Are there any hopes of seeing Trump unseated before his term is up? If not for the astonishing damage he's doing to the western world, then only for the sheer fatigue from having every media outlet saturated by him on a daily basis.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

#49

Post by AnimalMuppet »

megamike wrote: post #31

Iran's 10-point plan includes: 1. Guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again 2. Permanent end to the war, not just a ceasefire 3. End to Israeli strikes in Lebanon 4. Lifting of all US sanctions on Iran 5. End to all regional fighting against Iranian allies 6. In return, Iran would open the Strait of Hormuz 7. Iran would impose a Hormuz fee of $2 million per ship 8. Iran would split these fees with Oman 9. Iran t…

[flagged]

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

#50

Post by bigyabai »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #34
anonym00se1 wrote: post #21

[flagged]

[flagged]

The parent said war, and the aggressor of the 12 Day War is unquestionably Israel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-Day_War

  The Twelve-Day War [...] began when Israel bombed military and nuclear facilities in Iran in a surprise attack
Post reply on HN