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US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by atmavatar »

orwin wrote: post #24
doener wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TACO

It's not, i don't think so. For the first time Trump did a belligerent announcement while the market were open, and not on a late Friday. as expected, the market cratered. Then 4 hours later, this announcement? Crazy coincidence (which it might be, but frankly when it come to market manipulation, i think this admin has lost the benefit of the doubt).

Isn't that precisely the definition of TACO, though?

Trump does a thing, the market goes down as a result, so he does a 180 on the thing.

That he may also be doing it to lower prices for friends and family so they can buy up stocks just before he does a reversal and the market rebounds, making them all a lot of money, is immaterial to whether this counts as TACO.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by ggm »

small_model wrote: post #32
ggm wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we've had messaging for domestic consumption worldwide since the trojan wars. What people say in either direction is not a reflection of what happens, it's what they want to say, and have some cohort believe happened. This is for domestic consumption. As will the WH reports be, facing the US domestic audience.

They didn't have the internet back then, everything is global now im afraid.

"because you said , I won't do " is rarely an issue in these matters. What people say, and what people do, are divorced.

This isn't contract law. The WH can declare victory and stop, or declare victory and continue, or declare defeat and stop, or declare defeat and continue, or declare nothing and {stop, continue} and what the Iranian government say is not relevant. But, stopping or not stopping sending up UAV and sending over missiles and aircraft, IS relevant.

ie, this is just speech. we judge on outcomes not on words said.

[edit: that said, under this administration, the reverse is also true - "because I heard you said I will now do which is totally irrational, but I now have an excuse in my own mind, for what I intended doing anyway." ]

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by HDBaseT »

megamike wrote: post #31

Iran's 10-point plan includes: 1. Guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again 2. Permanent end to the war, not just a ceasefire 3. End to Israeli strikes in Lebanon 4. Lifting of all US sanctions on Iran 5. End to all regional fighting against Iranian allies 6. In return, Iran would open the Strait of Hormuz 7. Iran would impose a Hormuz fee of $2 million per ship 8. Iran would split these fees with Oman 9. Iran t…

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Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by le-mark »

saladdays wrote: post #15

What is even the point of all the flip flopping if there’s ongoing talks? I feel like the doesn’t put any real pressure on Iran, but I may be uninformed.

Trump is cornered. There is no “winning” this for him. Expect Iran to get some major concessions that Trump will talk up as win.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by nirav72 »

100ms wrote: post #48

I don't understand enough about the US system of government. Are there any hopes of seeing Trump unseated before his term is up? If not for the astonishing damage he's doing to the western world, then only for the sheer fatigue from having every media outlet saturated by him on a daily basis.

Nope. Maybe a cheeseburger and mother nature.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by bigyabai »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #49
megamike wrote: post #31

Iran's 10-point plan includes: 1. Guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again 2. Permanent end to the war, not just a ceasefire 3. End to Israeli strikes in Lebanon 4. Lifting of all US sanctions on Iran 5. End to all regional fighting against Iranian allies 6. In return, Iran would open the Strait of Hormuz 7. Iran would impose a Hormuz fee of $2 million per ship 8. Iran would split these fees with Oman 9. Iran t…

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The fact that none of these were considered critical discussion points tells you just how desperate the US/Israel coalition is for a ceasefire.

It really does feel like the rescue op was a failed raid on Isfahan, and this is the Plan B.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by le-mark »

100ms wrote: post #48

I don't understand enough about the US system of government. Are there any hopes of seeing Trump unseated before his term is up? If not for the astonishing damage he's doing to the western world, then only for the sheer fatigue from having every media outlet saturated by him on a daily basis.

If the Dems win the house in the midterms he will be impeached again. If there are 60 votes in the senate he will be out. Dems are unlikely to win the senate, let alone 60 seats.

It’s a bizarre situation in that US elections have such a huge impact on a world that has no say.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by [deleted] »

3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #43

"We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to negotiate. Almost all of the various points of past contention have been agreed to between the United States and Iran, but a two week period will allow the Agreement to be finalized and consummated." The ten point plan which had previously been rejected outright? The 10-point plan which leaves Iran in an incredibly better finan…

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Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by 7thpower »

3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #43

"We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to negotiate. Almost all of the various points of past contention have been agreed to between the United States and Iran, but a two week period will allow the Agreement to be finalized and consummated." The ten point plan which had previously been rejected outright? The 10-point plan which leaves Iran in an incredibly better finan…

I don’t know, but I hear the Trump boys are going to be doing a JV on some gold plated Persian toll booths. That family has unreal foresight.
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