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Re: Claude Code login fails with OAuth timeout on Windows

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As much as people on Hacker News complain about subscription models for productivity and creativity suites, the open arms embrace of subscription development tools (services, really) which seek to offload the very act itself makes me wonder how and why so many people are eager to dive right in. I get it. LLMs are cool technology. Is this a symptom of the same phenomenon behind the deluge of disposable JavaScript fram…

I really enjoy coding. I've build a number of projects, personal and professional, with Python, Rust, Java and even some Scala in the mix. However, I've been addicted to Claude Code recently, especially with the superpowers skill. It feels like I can manifest code with my mind. When developing with Claude, I am presented with design dilemmas, architectural alternatives, clarification questions, things that really mak…

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Re: Claude Code login fails with OAuth timeout on Windows

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post #90

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HN is a big community that has always had a mix of people who value newness as a feature vs those who prioritize simplicity and reliability. Unless you're recognizing the exact same names taking these contradictory opinions it's probably different groups of people for the most part. It seems like every LLM thread for the past couple years is full of posts saying that the latest hot AI tool/approach has made them unbe…

> I get it. LLMs are cool technology. I don't think many of you have legitimately tried Claude Code, or maybe you're holding it wrong. I'm getting 10x the work done. I'm operating at all layers of the stack with a speed and rapidity I've never had before. And before anyone accuses me of being some "vibe coder", I've built five nines active-active money rails that move billions of dollars a day at 50kqps+, amongst lot…

Mind if I use this as a copypasta for the future? This checks off every point people bring on LinkedIn and elsewhere.

In all seriousness though, writing code, or even sitting down and properly architecting things, have never been bottlenecks for me. It has either been artificial deadlines preventing me from writing proper unit tests, or the requirement for code review from people on my team who don't even work on the same codebase as I do on a daily basis. I have often stated and stand by the assertion that I develop at the speed of my own understanding, and I think that is a good virtue to carry forth that I think will stand the test of time and bring about the best organisational outcomes. It's just a matter of finding the right place that values this approach.

Edit for context: My team is an ops team that needed a couple developers; I was picked to implement some internal tooling. The deadlines I was given for the initial development are tied directly to my performance evaluation. My boss has only ever been a manager for almost two years. He has only ever had development headcount for less than a year. He has never been on a development team himself. The man does not take breaks and micromanages at every opportunity he gets. He is paranoid for his job, thinking he is going to be imminently replaced by our (cheaper) EU counterparts. His management style and verbal admonitions reflect this; he frequently projects these insecurities onto others, using unnecessarily accusatory speech. I am not the only developer on my team who has had such interactions with him. I have screenshots of conversations with him that I felt necessary to present to a therapist. This degree of time pressure is entirely unprecedented in my 20 year career. Yes, this is a dysfunctional environment.

Re: Claude Code login fails with OAuth timeout on Windows

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post #84

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Alternatively, the elephant in the room I'm surprised no one wants to talk about: the vibe coding is catching up with them.

It should catch up faster. It's absolutely useless for the bulk of the tedium—notably, soldering together random repos to satisfy executives—that makes up my job now.

That's mostly been my job since I started around 2010 haha

Re: Claude Code login fails with OAuth timeout on Windows

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I mean at this point can we just conclude that there are a group of engineers who claim to have incredible success with it and a group that claim it is unreliable and cannot be trusted to do complex tasks. I struggle to believe that a ton of seemingly intelligent software engineers are too dumb to figure out how to use Claude code to get reliable results, it seems much more likely to me that it can do well at isolate…

“I struggle to believe that a ton of seemingly intelligent software engineers are too dumb to figure out how to use Claude code to get reliable results” Seemingly is doing the heavy lifting here. If you read enough comment threads on HN, it will become obvious why they aren’t getting results.

> I struggle to believe that a ton of seemingly intelligent software engineers are too dumb to figure out how to use Claude code to get reliable results.

They're not dumb, but I'm not surprised they're struggling.

A developer's mindset has to change when adding AI into the mix, and many developers either can’t or won’t do that. Developers whose commits that look something like "Fixed some bugs" probably aren’t going to take the time to write a decent prompt either.

Whenever there's a technology shift, there are always people who can't or won't adapt. And let's be honest, there are folks whose agenda (consciously or not) is to keep the status quo and "prove" that AI is a bad thing.

No wonder we're seeing wildly different stories about the effectiveness of coding agents.

Re: Claude Code login fails with OAuth timeout on Windows

#236

As much as people on Hacker News complain about subscription models for productivity and creativity suites, the open arms embrace of subscription development tools (services, really) which seek to offload the very act itself makes me wonder how and why so many people are eager to dive right in. I get it. LLMs are cool technology. Is this a symptom of the same phenomenon behind the deluge of disposable JavaScript fram…

People will always go along with a removal of friction even against their benefit. It's natural bias, we have a preference for not spending energy. It's why we pay stupid amounts for takeout when it's a button away, it's why we accept the issues that come with online dating rather than breaking the ice outside, it's why there's been decades scams that claim to get you abs without effort... LLMs are the ultimate frict…

> stupid amounts for takeout

Aw hell. You found my vice and my own cognitive dissonance here. If I want to truly stand by my convictions, I should probably cook more and log off. Waiting for signs that the tides are turning and that people are beginning to value a slower, more methodical approach again isn't doing anything in the current moment to stave off the genuine feelings of dread that have honestly led to some suicidal ideation.

(this is serious and not sarcasm, by the way)

Re: Claude Code login fails with OAuth timeout on Windows

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post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN is a big community that has always had a mix of people who value newness as a feature vs those who prioritize simplicity and reliability. Unless you're recognizing the exact same names taking these contradictory opinions it's probably different groups of people for the most part. It seems like every LLM thread for the past couple years is full of posts saying that the latest hot AI tool/approach has made them unbe…

> I get it. LLMs are cool technology. I don't think many of you have legitimately tried Claude Code, or maybe you're holding it wrong. I'm getting 10x the work done. I'm operating at all layers of the stack with a speed and rapidity I've never had before. And before anyone accuses me of being some "vibe coder", I've built five nines active-active money rails that move billions of dollars a day at 50kqps+, amongst lot…

It’d be cool to see your process in depth. You should record some of your sessions :)

I mostly believe you. I have seen hints of what you are talking about.

But often times I feel like I’m on the right track but I’m actually just spinning when wheels and the AI is just happily going along with it.

Or I’m getting too deep on something and I’m caught up in the loop, becoming ungrounded from the reality of the code and the specific problem.

If I notice that and am not too tired, I can reel it back in and re-ground things. Take a step back and make sure we are on reasonable path.

But I’m realizing it can be surprisingly difficult to catch that loop early sometimes. At least for me.

I’ve also done some pretty awesome shit with it that either would have never happened or taken far longer without AI — easily 5x-10x in many cases. It’s all quite fascinating.

Much to learn. This idea is forming for me that developing good “AI discipline” is incredibly important.

P.s. sometimes I also get this weird feeling of “AI exhaustion”. Where the thought of sending another prompt feels quite painful. The last week I’ve felt that a lot.

P.p.s. And then of course this doesn’t even touch on maintaining code quality over time. The “after” part when the LLM implements something. There are lots of good patterns and approaches for handling this, but it’s a distinct phase of the process with lots of complexities and nuances. And it’s oh-so-temping to skip or postpone. More so if the AI output is larger — exactly when you need it most.

Re: Claude Code login fails with OAuth timeout on Windows

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I suspect many people here have tried it, but they expected it to one-shot any prompt, and when it didn't, it confirmed what they wanted to be true and they responded with "hah, see?" and then washed their hands of it. So it's not that they're too stupid. There are various motivations for this: clinging on to familiarity, resistance to what feels like yet another tool, anti-AI koolaid, earnestly underwhelmed but don'…

So what do I do differently then? Hypothetically, you have a simple slice out of bounds error because a function is getting an empty string so it does something like: `""[5]`. Opus will add a bunch of length & nil checks to "fix" this, but the actual issue is the string should never be empty. The nil checks are just papering over a deeper issue, like you probably need a schema level check for minimum string length. A…

Not the person you're replying to but yes, sometimes I do tell the agent to remove the cruft. Then I back up a few messages in the context and reword my request. Instead of just saying "fix this crash", or whatever, I say "this is crashing because the string is empty, however it shouldn't be empty, figure out why it's empty". And I might have it add some tests to ensure that whatever code is not returning/passing along empty strings.

Re: Claude Code login fails with OAuth timeout on Windows

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post #68

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What, that businesses lie?

It’s like most lifetime warranties. They’re not what they seem to mean colloquially. They have a contractual meaning.

That we accept the lying doesn't mean it's good.
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