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Post by whackernews »

SmirkingRevenge wrote: post #456
whackernews wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeh. I mean your comment kind of reads like the whole thing is simple and Russia just randomly invaded Ukraine 4 years ago for no reason. Rather than there being rising pro-Russian sentiment in the east for years resulting in an all out civil war 12 years ago when the government went after the separatists. Then you say well they were Russian backed so Russia were involved from the beginning. Then I say well, where we…

> I mean your comment kind of reads like the whole thing is simple and Russia just randomly invaded Ukraine 4 years ago for no reason. Not randomly for no reason - the reason is to bring the former soviet bloc nations back under Russia's control, to rebuild the Russian empire. Putin has even spoken openly how he does not recognize Ukraine as a real nation or a real identity and that all of Ukraine, it's land, resourc…

Ah you’re one of those people where it’s like talking to a wall. Well you seem to have an intimate relationship with Putin so maybe you can just ring him up and have a chat with him or something.

Let me put it this way. Imagine you’re at school and there are two kids that have a long history starting to shout and even throw fists at each other. You come over from the other end of the playground, try to understand the situation the best you can… and start throwing fists at the kid you think is wrong?

You’re acting like a proper ape and seem to lack any imagination or ambition for a peaceful future. You know there are other ways? Smarter ways. We have mind blowing technology that is optimised for death and destruction but you don’t reckon we can, like, maybe just ASK the people what they want? Nobody ever asks. Nobody talks.

Everyone’s sold this skewed reality that bombing people is the only way we can resolve conflict and you’ve been sold it by massive companies that make bombs.

Anyway this conversation is causing way too much negative emotion in me and it’s not like you’re even understanding what I’m saying so I’m just gonna bow out I think. At least for you there are plenty of people like you and there will be plenty more wars for you to drool over and completely understand with your big brain.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by kqr »

syncsynchalt wrote: post #126
kqr wrote: post #109

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Because it's not always dark. Only during a full moon on Earth is the far side fully dark.

... matter of fact it's all dark. (The moon has an albedo of 12%)

Wait, really? That is surprisingly dark. That's lower than bare terrestrial soil and closer to worn asphalt, according to Wikipedia.

In photography, I've always used a rule of thumb that to expose the Moon properly, aim for daylight exposure. This makes sense to me because the Moon's illuminated by the same sun as us, at the same distance. Wikipedia confirms the impression.[1]

Now, how can that be true, and the Moon still have a lower albedo than much of the stuff on Earth? Is albedo not measuring what I think it is?

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposure_value#Tabulated_expos...

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by scotty79 »

delecti wrote: post #427
scotty79 wrote: post #328

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One of the astronauts is Sunday school teacher and took the Bible up there with him as a comfort item. It was mentioned in the news already. https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/there-are-no-a... Don't shoot the messenger

Surely you can see the difference between broadcasting a bible read from the module and him carrying that bible as a personal item. I certainly think there's a very stark difference between the two. I absolutely support people rights to whatever deeply held beliefs bring them comfort; I do not support him using his position literally and metaphorically atop a multi-billion dollar government project to proselytize.

I just wished people were more original in choosing beliefs to hold deeply instead of just subscribing to a multi-billinon dollar church that has multiple governments in their pockets.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by juleiie »

WalterBright wrote: post #459
juleiie wrote: post #452

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I would settle for just a decent human being

What do you think of Musk's Neuralink company that has enabled quadriplegics to control things with their mind? What do you think of Musk's Tesla that has apparently saved 20,000 lives? Who meets your criteria?

I don’t care about some imaginary balance of souls. Leave that to god if he exists.

The ability to save someone doesn’t enable you to senselessly hurt many others.

You should read Ursula K. Le Guin's: "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas

A healthy person or society does not find enjoyment or entertainment in the torture of another. The act of senseless infliction of harm betrays a lack of empathy and moral spine, which is fundamentally incompatible with the role of a "savior" or truly moral agent.

The good he does doesn't require the harm he causes, so the good cannot justify it.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by SmirkingRevenge »

whackernews wrote: post #461
SmirkingRevenge wrote: post #456

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean your comment kind of reads like the whole thing is simple and Russia just randomly invaded Ukraine 4 years ago for no reason. Not randomly for no reason - the reason is to bring the former soviet bloc nations back under Russia's control, to rebuild the Russian empire. Putin has even spoken openly how he does not recognize Ukraine as a real nation or a real identity and that all of Ukraine, it's land, resourc…

Ah you’re one of those people where it’s like talking to a wall. Well you seem to have an intimate relationship with Putin so maybe you can just ring him up and have a chat with him or something. Let me put it this way. Imagine you’re at school and there are two kids that have a long history starting to shout and even throw fists at each other. You come over from the other end of the playground, try to understand the…

> Everyone’s sold this skewed reality that bombing people is the only way we can resolve conflict and you’ve been sold it by massive companies that make bombs.

Yes, Ukraine can only resolve the conflict by winning - which means killing lots of Russians and driving Russia out.

Russia can resolve the conflict by... leaving. That's it. They just have to go home. No bombs necessary.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by bluebarbet »

Gagarin1917 wrote: post #398
bluebarbet wrote: post #35

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Agreed. I remember following the various Mars rover missions of the 1990s-2010s with avid interest. I have now lost my interest in space completely. The house is on fire and we're going on holiday again? It's beginning to feel almost indecent.

I’m sorry but things are definitely better than they were in the 2000’s. Even this war is smaller scale than Iraq/Afghanistan, and seems like it will be over much quicker. Even the economy isn’t nearly as bad. But the Mars missions, the ISS, and all the rest was not indecent. You were not wrong to enjoy those things back then. And you wouldn’t be wrong to enjoy this now. It’s perfectly healthy to accept that the worl…

The condescension is uncalled for, this is simply a difference of priorities. In terms of our various ecological crises, the situation is absolutely not better than 20 years ago. My view is that the opportunity cost of manned space exploration is now unjustifiable. The resources consumed would be better allocated elsewhere.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by roelschroeven »

addandsubtract wrote: post #290
roelschroeven wrote: post #52

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Have a look at the tracker at https://issinfo.net/artemis.html They're already at a point where they see the moon from a different angle than we see it from Earth, enough to see a bit of the side that we can't see from here.

It took me this diagram to realize they're shooting to where the moon will be , when they cross its orbit, and are not flying straight at the moon. /facepalm

No worries. I played Kerbal Space Program so that shouldn't have surprised me but it did, and it took me a few seconds before the penny dropped.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by paulryanrogers »

nomel wrote: post #451
paulryanrogers wrote: post #359

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Opportunistically venturing out of Africa is one thing. Sending a couple people around a distant and desolate rock, while the homeworld burns due to unforced errors, is another.

Alternatively, if we don't become a multi-planetary species, we will be exterminated by a meteor. There's enough excess to do a bit of species saving multi-tasking. For an alternate perspective, the development for this (which includes future launches) was only 80% the cost of ~500 miles of railway in California! [1] [1] https://www.kabc.com/2026/04/06/high-speed-rail-cost-now-at-...

It's unlikely we'll be exterminated by a meteor for many millions of years. Life as we know it is already facing existential risks here and now.

Doubtful we'll ever establish permanent residency anywhere else when we cannot sustain ourselves on the rock we evolved on.

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Post by dust42 »

_moof wrote: post #251
dust42 wrote: post #28

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Yes, and right now is full moon, thus the far side is only illuminated by stars.

It isn't full right now. It's a waning gibbous, so the far side is a waxing crescent.

Well, mathematically full moon is only a infinitesimally small split of a second. When I made the comment it was about 12% waxing crescent thus 88% in the dark. And actually darker than a full moon because the earth does not light up the far side.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by dust42 »

davidw wrote: post #54
dust42 wrote: post #28

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Yes, and right now is full moon, thus the far side is only illuminated by stars.

I wonder why they decided on that timing? If it were better illuminated by the sun, couldn't they get some better photography?

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