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Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by xoac »

rybosome wrote: post #98
xoac wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kind of a false dichotomy. How about medical care as a right for a big abstract concept? He's not anti-science here, he's against the inequality of its distribution.

> Kind of a false dichotomy. That’s precisely my point. Some stanzas in the poem suggest that there’s a direct connection between the moon mission and his poverty. > The man just upped my rent last night > cause Whitey’s on the moon > Was all that money I made last year > For Whitey on the moon? And my point then was that I can see and empathize with his frustration, but I don’t feel it’s a singularly correct perspec…

But he's not blaming his poverty on "whitey on the moon" but the lack of healthcare. There is an opportunity cost to war, Moon/Mars missions etc.

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Post by juleiie »

nine_k wrote: post #81
nixon_why69 wrote: post #67

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I'm not being a hater, but we landed on the moon 55+ years ago and now we're doing a flyby with 35+ year-old engine tech. It's good that we're doing something but we should be doing better.

In 2-3 years we should expect a Starship mission to Moon, at a much more sensible scale, as in the amount of scientific gear and actual researchers delivered to the surface (and then back).

There is literally not many things in life I hope so much for than starship success. Sounds strange perhaps but I just love space and I hope it succeeds.

Funnily I absolutely despise Musk at the same time for being absolute buffoon

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Post by dd_xplore »

areoform wrote: post #115

It's interesting to me how cautious NASA is being with Artemis II. I wrote about the risk / mortality calculation behind this, but everything from the trajectory, the decision not to do an orbital insertion, the checkout in high-Earth orbit is very cautious. I wish this mission took greater risks. Or, just at least go as far as Apollo 8, but stay for a bit longer, and try out new things. It would be fun to take a fin…

I don't think they'd or any other space mission will take that much risk anymore. Atleast without the pressure/tension of cold war space race.

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Post by NetMageSCW »

jibal wrote: post #105
czbond wrote: post #68

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Optimism will get you through.... Humans have bumpy rides, but in the aggregate we figure it out and move on

In the aggregate we live miserable lives and then die.

That was true the last time we went to the Moon, but this time in the aggregate we live less miserable lives.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by syncsynchalt »

gus_massa wrote: post #95
ceejayoz wrote: post #50

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They’re far enough out that they can see some stuff you don’t see from Earth. They aren’t seeing the entire far side yet. Illustrated: https://www.reddit.com/r/Astronomy/comments/1sd797j/the_moon...

It got deleted now. It would be nice to see a new versions if abailable. So, let's make some guess, but IANAA. Orion is in the middle of the trip going to the meeting point to the Moon in a quite straight line but the Moon is still not there. It will be there in 2 or 3 days, that is like 45° of the orbit. O . . o Earth > . . . . Moon Orion in 3 days . . . . . . o Moon now Using some sloppy Math and sloppy Astronomy,…

Take a look at https://issinfo.net/artemis.html

Your illustration is about right, but the angle they're catching now is even a bit further than you've shown.

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Post by syncsynchalt »

kqr wrote: post #109
dbacar wrote: post #107

Rather than the far side, what about the Dark Side of the Moon?

Because it's not always dark. Only during a full moon on Earth is the far side fully dark.

... matter of fact it's all dark.

(The moon has an albedo of 12%)

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Post by elteto »

kelnos wrote: post #72
b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #16

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it's amazing, but I'll refer you to Gil Scott-Heron for my feelings on the matter A rat done bit my sister Nell With whitey on the moon Her face and arms began to swell And whitey's on the moon I can't pay no doctor bills But whitey's on the moon Ten years from now I'll be payin' still While whitey's on the moon The man just upped my rent last night Cause whitey's on the moon No hot water, no toilets, no lights But w…

I get the general frustration there, but it's weird to focus on NASA's budget when it's such a teeny tiny fraction of the total. Yes, there's a lot of government waste, but NASA ain't it. And I would suggest that the billionaire class and unfettered capitalism are far more responsible for the modern day version of Scott-Heron's woes than the good ol' government scapegoat.

If DOGE served for anything at all it was for showing that there isn’t even that much “waste” per se. If there’s any waste it’s in the Pentagon which can’t even audit itself, but of course DOGE didn’t even get close to that. It was all performative for them.

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Post by satvikpendem »

dotancohen wrote: post #90
delecti wrote: post #77

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I sure hope they don't. Even just the hint of connecting this achievement to the supposed Christian nature of the US would reinforce a lot of the bad things in the world right now. Namely, that we're actively at war in the middle east (Christianity and Judaism vs Islam), in a burgeoning cold war with China (more Christianity vs "godless" communists), and run by an increasingly fascistic administration (the ties betwe…

I am not a Christian, but it was arguably the Christian value system which forged the government and institutions that made these achievements possible. Such progress happens only in high trust societies.

The Renaissance and Enlightenment were anti-religious ideals, of the power of mankind over the gods.

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Post by [deleted] »

dotancohen wrote: post #87
b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's amazing, but I'll refer you to Gil Scott-Heron for my feelings on the matter A rat done bit my sister Nell With whitey on the moon Her face and arms began to swell And whitey's on the moon I can't pay no doctor bills But whitey's on the moon Ten years from now I'll be payin' still While whitey's on the moon The man just upped my rent last night Cause whitey's on the moon No hot water, no toilets, no lights But w…

The author of this poem went to great lengths to show his racism. It reminds me of a post, probably on Reddit, of a similar racist nature. Just when it's going in the other direction it's clearer. The post was by a man, supposedly white, who had to pull his child or children from private school because he could not pay for it. His frustration was based on the fact that his taxes were higher than the school tuition, a…

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Post by areoform »

neurostimulant wrote: post #120
areoform wrote: post #115

It's interesting to me how cautious NASA is being with Artemis II. I wrote about the risk / mortality calculation behind this, but everything from the trajectory, the decision not to do an orbital insertion, the checkout in high-Earth orbit is very cautious. I wish this mission took greater risks. Or, just at least go as far as Apollo 8, but stay for a bit longer, and try out new things. It would be fun to take a fin…

> I wish this mission took greater risks It's already risky enough: https://idlewords.com/2026/03/artemis_ii_is_not_safe_to_fly....

Yes, and that's part of what spaceflight is. https://1517.substack.com/p/1-in-30-artemis-greatness-and-ri...

It has always been a touch-and-go affair

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