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Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by srean »

graemep wrote: post #61
mikkupikku wrote: post #60

Oh no! ...anyway... Seriously bros, this is a war where one side is making wildly inflammatory, specific and credible threats against the civilian infrastructure of the other and this is a response to that, hardly even a response in kind. If they strike these assets it will cause financial burden for rich people, not plunge millions of civilians into darkness as the POTUS is credibly threatening to do. Iranian attack…

Iran has threatened to destroy water supplies in the Gulf states, which would kill huge numbers of people.

US-Israel struck Iran's desalination plants first.

Iran's targeting strategy has been a capability restrained tit for tat, for the most part. This is true except for attacks on other gulf states right after US-Israel decapitation strike.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by megous »

graemep wrote: post #61
mikkupikku wrote: post #60

Oh no! ...anyway... Seriously bros, this is a war where one side is making wildly inflammatory, specific and credible threats against the civilian infrastructure of the other and this is a response to that, hardly even a response in kind. If they strike these assets it will cause financial burden for rich people, not plunge millions of civilians into darkness as the POTUS is credibly threatening to do. Iranian attack…

Iran has threatened to destroy water supplies in the Gulf states, which would kill huge numbers of people.

You seem informed. Why did they do so? And what motivated them?

Sounds like a thing a state would not want to do to their neighbor out of the blue.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by curt15 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #85
ceejayoz wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn’t that in response to Trump posting that he’d hit theirs? https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-hegseth-and... > In a Truth Social post on March 30, Trump warned that the U.S. would obliterate "all of their Electric Generating Plants, Oil Wells and Kharg Island (and possibly all desalinization plants!), which we have purposefully not yet 'touched.'"

> Wasn’t that in response to Trump posting that he’d hit theirs? It's Iran. They haven't been following international law since 1979. That isn't an excuse to commit war crimes against them. But Iran really doesn't have any legs to stand on when it comes to complaining about targeting civilian infrastructure–they and their proxies have been doing this for decades.

>They haven't been following international law since 1979.

History doesn't start in 1979. Why not go back to 1953? Overthrowing another country's elected government is no more conscionable under international law.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by srean »

gryzzly wrote: post #89
mikkupikku wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because Iran attacks them relentlessly by proxxy? Hoothis, Hezbullah, Hamas, etc Iran doesn't use any of these to attack America. You seem to be confusing Israel for America, a common problem in American politics.

Iranian proxies are responsible for well over 1,000 American deaths since 1979, and there were dozens of foiled plots on American soil and hundreds of individual militia attacks in Iraq and Syria, directed by Iran.

[To the downvoter, downvoting is not going to change the historical facts]

It was the US that upended Iranian parliamentary democracy with a military coup, sponsored chemical weapons attacks on Irani population (through its proxy Iraq). This killed some 30k to 50k by way of chemical attacks alone. Credible sources estimate 100K killed by these chemical weapons attacks alone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemical_attacks_against...

US shot down their passenger jet. US has imposed crippling sanctions that have decimated the economic well being of the country compared to what it could have been.

Iran Air Flight 655 was an international scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by two surface-to-air missiles fired by USS Vincennes, a United States Navy warship. The missiles hit the Iran Air aircraft, an Airbus A300, while it was flying its usual route over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, shortly after the flight departed its stopover location, Bandar Abbas International Airport. All 290 people on board were killed. No apologies yet.

Talking about Iranian proxies alone is one-sided if you don't consider what US-Israel proxies have been doing to them. US Israel have inflicted 10 to 100X more Irani deaths than what Iran has done in retaliation.

You are either ignorant or deliberately underplaying that. Most likely the latter.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by srean »

gryzzly wrote: post #80
mikkupikku wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After America attacked them, sure, and in any case they aren't even attacking America, so again, why is America involved?

1979-1981 - Tehran, Iran — 66 Americans held hostage 444 days 1983 Apr - Beirut, Lebanon — 17 Americans killed (U.S. Embassy bombing) 1983 Oct - Beirut, Lebanon — 241 U.S. military killed (Marine barracks bombing) 1984 Mar - Beirut, Lebanon — 1 American killed (CIA chief Buckley kidnapped, later killed) 1985 Jun - Beirut, Lebanon — 1 American killed (TWA Flight 847 hijacking) 1989 Jul - Lebanon — 1 American killed (C…

30K to 50K Iranians killed by chemical weapons attacks by US proxy, Iraq. Credible sources estimate 100K killed and 30K-50K is a conservative lowball estimate.

This is an active unhealed wound in Iran. Families of the dead still grieve those killed in cemeteries and graves that are there in almost all their major cities.

Iran has every reason to not like the US which has been destabilising and killing and crippling them economically for several decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemical_attacks_against...

Iran Air Flight 655 was an international scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by two surface-to-air missiles fired by USS Vincennes, a United States Navy warship. The missiles hit the Iran Air aircraft, an Airbus A300, while it was flying its usual route over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, shortly after the flight departed its stopover location, Bandar Abbas International Airport. All 290 people on board were killed.

No apologies have been forthcoming.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by panja »

gryzzly wrote: post #80
mikkupikku wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After America attacked them, sure, and in any case they aren't even attacking America, so again, why is America involved?

1979-1981 - Tehran, Iran — 66 Americans held hostage 444 days 1983 Apr - Beirut, Lebanon — 17 Americans killed (U.S. Embassy bombing) 1983 Oct - Beirut, Lebanon — 241 U.S. military killed (Marine barracks bombing) 1984 Mar - Beirut, Lebanon — 1 American killed (CIA chief Buckley kidnapped, later killed) 1985 Jun - Beirut, Lebanon — 1 American killed (TWA Flight 847 hijacking) 1989 Jul - Lebanon — 1 American killed (C…

Interesting you started in 1979 instead of 1953

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by ceejayoz »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #94
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

both wars are equally unjustified, but the US has lost what, 20 people per hour of his war.

> the US has lost what, 20 people per hour of his war Not sure why you're being downvoted. Russia's economy and military have been flogged by their war in a way America's has not. Moreover, we have midterms this year and a Presidential election in 2. Moscow has no similar 'fuck it' exit option.

Russia’s economy and military have been flogged for years to get to the current point. The US is just on month two.

The two powers have wildly different militaries and strategies. Comparing body counts is never gonna be a super helpful metric by itself.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by curt15 »

gryzzly wrote: post #89
mikkupikku wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because Iran attacks them relentlessly by proxxy? Hoothis, Hezbullah, Hamas, etc Iran doesn't use any of these to attack America. You seem to be confusing Israel for America, a common problem in American politics.

Iranian proxies are responsible for well over 1,000 American deaths since 1979, and there were dozens of foiled plots on American soil and hundreds of individual militia attacks in Iraq and Syria, directed by Iran.

How many Russian deaths have been caused by US proxies in Ukraine so far? Do those justify an attack on the US by Russia?

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by akdev1l »

kdheiwns wrote: post #96
gryzzly wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iranian proxies are responsible for well over 1,000 American deaths since 1979, and there were dozens of foiled plots on American soil and hundreds of individual militia attacks in Iraq and Syria, directed by Iran.

For reference, how many times has the US interfered with Iran's government and how many people in Iran has the US killed since 1979? That's the only way to get a fair view of this discussion. Just wondering if all this happened in a vacuum or, god forbid, Iran maybe has some reason to dislike the US.

“What about…?” Does not make for a good argument.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by curt15 »

gryzzly wrote: post #80
mikkupikku wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After America attacked them, sure, and in any case they aren't even attacking America, so again, why is America involved?

1979-1981 - Tehran, Iran — 66 Americans held hostage 444 days 1983 Apr - Beirut, Lebanon — 17 Americans killed (U.S. Embassy bombing) 1983 Oct - Beirut, Lebanon — 241 U.S. military killed (Marine barracks bombing) 1984 Mar - Beirut, Lebanon — 1 American killed (CIA chief Buckley kidnapped, later killed) 1985 Jun - Beirut, Lebanon — 1 American killed (TWA Flight 847 hijacking) 1989 Jul - Lebanon — 1 American killed (C…

History doesn't start in 1979. One can draw a direct line to those events from 1953.
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