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Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by queenkjuul »

nubg wrote: post #12
ivan_gammel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He may care in the end, because TACO. Looks like this is a pattern of modern war where both sides are testing the escalation levels by attacking the infrastructure. It‘s like MAD, but going up in smaller increments rather than hitting with everything after one or two limited strikes like nuclear. Basically, you hit my power plant, I‘ll hit yours. It‘s the same path Ukraine went on: they initially showed restraint in…

> by choosing the same civilian targets not sure what the point of this propaganda is? ukraine doesn't shoot rockets at appartments. hitting (dual use) energy infrastructure is a completely different level then targeting civilian homes.

Dual use is nonsense, all power plants and highways are "dual use", hell so are farms, water treatment, dams... It's a term used exclusively to justify war crimes.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by queenkjuul »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #38
nubg wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> by choosing the same civilian targets not sure what the point of this propaganda is? ukraine doesn't shoot rockets at appartments. hitting (dual use) energy infrastructure is a completely different level then targeting civilian homes.

Nobody except Israel is setting civilian homes as targets for their rockets. Not all energy infrastructure is even remotely „dual use“ (and this label is itself propaganda used to justify strikes on non-military targets).

US seems to have hit more than a few apartment blocks in Tehran. But you're mostly right

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by queenkjuul »

spwa4 wrote: post #17
luke5441 wrote: post #15

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Irans leadership does not want to be killed by being bombed every few month. So they need to impose sufficient costs to deter bombing them. Idk what you are missing... maybe that people don't want to be killed and try to implement strategies to not get killed?

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How do you believe this shit. It took Israel a full year of 24/7 indiscriminate murder in Gaza to reach 30,000 dead civilians, and the entire place is rubble as a result. How in the god damn fuck do you think Iran killed that many people in one week without Tehran looking like Gaza?

Gullible brainwashed dolts can't even think for two seconds

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by queenkjuul »

spwa4 wrote: post #22
akagusu wrote: post #19

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Just like ICE killing american citizens? Yeah, what's the problem with that?

Of course these 2 compare about as standing on a random pedestrian's toe compares to massacring a small city. Both regrettable in absolute terms, but not remotely comparable. (why not just the numbers? Because the ICE deaths were definitely not intentional. Nobody gave anybody the order to fire. But Iran's killing of protestors was 100% intentional by the regime. In other words, aside from 2 versus 40.000, all 40.000…

40,000 people killed in one week?

That's Nazi death camp numbers. You are an idiot for believing it.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by ivan_gammel »

queenkjuul wrote: post #52
ivan_gammel wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody except Israel is setting civilian homes as targets for their rockets. Not all energy infrastructure is even remotely „dual use“ (and this label is itself propaganda used to justify strikes on non-military targets).

US seems to have hit more than a few apartment blocks in Tehran. But you're mostly right

This has happened in all ongoing conflicts but in only a few cases it is known to be intentional (Israeli strikes). I don‘t think USA or Iran does target residential blocks, but just like everyone else they may act on bad intelligence or it may be accidental.

And the reason is not just rules of engagement - such targets simply have negative value for attacker.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by joquarky »

paulpauper wrote: post #16
paulryanrogers wrote: post #8

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Trump must save face. Publicly backing down is only possible once there's some kind of out, probably involving Iran loudly compromising.

Trump is old and a lame duck. I think he sees not backing down in as his last hope of creating a legacy

"Lame duck" doesn't apply as cleanly when Congress is complicit.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

luke5441 wrote: post #15
wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #3

Seems pretty easy to me to just stop the war to end this sort of stuff. But I must be missing something.

Irans leadership does not want to be killed by being bombed every few month. So they need to impose sufficient costs to deter bombing them. Idk what you are missing... maybe that people don't want to be killed and try to implement strategies to not get killed?

FYI the IRGC is importing more invaders to prop up it's unpopular occupation regime, this time Pakistani militia are now being recruited into Iran to oppress/occupy the Iranian population and act in service of the occupation theocratic government:

"The roaming of the Islamic Republic's proxies in Iran; entry of "Zainabiyoun" of Pakistan after "Hashd al-Shaabi" of Iraq and "Fatemiyoun" of Afghanistan

Reports of the presence of forces affiliated with the Zainabiyoun Division of Pakistan have been published in various areas of Sistan and Baluchestan province."

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by idiotsecant »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #49
idiotsecant wrote: post #46

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All Russian infrastructure of all types would be perfectly safe tomorrow if they just stopped brutally invading their neighbors. Let's be plain and clear here: the Russian moral position lies somewhere 10 miles below the floor of the deepest ocean trench. The moral high road is pretty easy to achieve.

I don‘t think „moral high roads“ have any relevance in context of this discussion. If such conversation triggers you, try to breathe and think why first.

Yes, I find that quite often morality becomes temporarily irrelevant when it's inconvenient for the party acting immorally.

Nevertheless, this is the one of the vanishingly few conflicts where there is a good guy and a bad guy. Sometimes the universe gives us a break from endless grey areas. This is one of those!

If you find the idea of an autonomous sovereign state defending it's borders 'triggering' I might suggest some soothing jazz and a warm milk.

All the best

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by Sabinus »

neomantra wrote: post #48
dzhiurgis wrote: post #37

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Problem is you can't say the same out loud in Iran without risking your life.

Huh?? You are replying to a comment about a Free Speaker who was murdered point blank on a US street for protecting another Free Speaker who was being pepper sprayed for exercising their Free Speech!

And it looked so bad that Trump pulled ICE out of Minnesota.

Pretty different set of circumstances to shooting tens of thousands of your own citizens.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by mikkupikku »

Oh no!

...anyway... Seriously bros, this is a war where one side is making wildly inflammatory, specific and credible threats against the civilian infrastructure of the other and this is a response to that, hardly even a response in kind. If they strike these assets it will cause financial burden for rich people, not plunge millions of civilians into darkness as the POTUS is credibly threatening to do.

Iranian attacks on US soil: Fuck all! So why is America fighting Iran? Insane ziofascist cultists picking fights on the other side of the planet to provoke the Apocalypse so they can all be raptured to paradise. (Translation: boomers are getting old and they want to see burning flesh one more time before they die.)

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