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Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by WalterBright »

juleiie wrote: post #394
WalterBright wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His stated and oft-repeated goal is to save mankind by making it interplanetary. It doesn't seem to be about personal aggrandizement. He has built no monuments to himself, has not named his company "Musk Inc", he doesn't run for office, etc. Musk does not own a yacht or even a house. > lonely If he feels lonely, he can message me and I'd treat him to dinner.

Well he is a piece of shit no matter what theoretical ideals he holds. I am sure many evil people in history wanted to “save mankind” I don’t think I need to remind you how he treated his transgender daughter and that’s just single example

Steve Jobs rejected his daughter.

George Washington declined being crowned king and set the tone for a modest and limited Executive branch. Yet he also owned slaves.

Saint Thomas More burned people at the stake.

You'll have a hard time finding any faultless people.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by WalterBright »

Teever wrote: post #399
WalterBright wrote: post #388

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He hasn't killed anybody. Nor has he been charged with any crimes. google sez: "One estimate suggests Tesla’s impact, through emission reductions, has saved over 20,000 lives globally." google sez: "A 2022 report suggested that Tesla and other electric vehicle technologies (which often include enhanced safety features) have contributed to saving thousands of lives." Empathy is judged by what one is willing to freely…

Here's the deal. I feel the same way about it as you do Walter. I don't really care about all those people who will die because of Musk's actions at Doge with USAID. Poor Americans, poor Africans, In the context of getting humanity to space are all just fuel for the fire -- just like the slaves in mittelwerk and Von Braun. You don't need to convince me that you care about human life and that Elon Musk does too with s…

Did you know that von Braun was jailed by the SS because he was spending too much time dreaming about planets and not enough about weapons? Von Braun was a dead man if he didn't do what they said. What would you do in his shoes?

As for Mars, I've advocated in this forum numerous times that a more practical goal was a Moon base. I doubt I'll live to see a man on Mars.

If Musk has 10 amazing goals, and delivers on 3 of them, is he a success or a con man? I say success. So what has he delivered on? Tesla, X, Grok, AI, Neuralink, The Boring Company (yes it is profitable!), reusable cheap rockets, and Starlink. Any one of those would be a storied lifetime achievement for anyone else.

Platitude alert: If you're not failing, you're not trying.

Who would you say is a more successful entrepreneur than Musk?

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by whackernews »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #298
thegrim33 wrote: post #172

It's pretty depressing that on a corner of the internet that's supposed to be a gathering of tech/geeks/nerds/stem people, discussing topics that "good hackers would find interesting", it's seemingly impossible to have a single thread about something like this that isn't almost entirely negative or political bickering.

There's just so little science here though, to expect the audience on HN to get excited about redoing something 65 years later for the purpose of political grand-standing and nationalism while the world literally burns and so many are hurting... I'd be more upset if a bunch of insulated tech nerds obliviously continued to along their easy trajectories without a though of everyone else. We may not be the 1% but we're…

There are less wars than ever, and we are all richer than ever. Stop watching the news, it makes you dumb.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by functional_dev »

nasretdinov wrote: post #9

I like how most people's reactions at this point are "yeah, whatever", as if it's every day that humans observe the far side of the moon with a naked eye through a window :). We do know what it looks like and we have photos from the surface, yes, but seeing the reaction from real people who're actually there does hit different, at least for me

Agreed, every astronaut says no photo prepares you for actually being there.

Knowing what the far side looks like and floating there looking at it are completely different things

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by sega_sai »

Gagarin1917 wrote: post #396
sega_sai wrote: post #300

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I think it would have been much better, if the nation that launched that mission did not in the same time start a war... I personally simply cannot separate these two things.

Have you always felt the same way about Apollo and the Vietnam War? Or are you considering this for the first time?

I was not around at that time, so I have not considered it. But it is a fair point.

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Post by marcosscriven »

ryanSrich wrote: post #353
_moof wrote: post #252

I just need to say it's an extremely huge bummer how much cynicism and negativity there is about this mission. Is it perfect? No, of course not. Neither was Apollo. We are all painfully aware of the things that make it imperfect. It's still joyous and exciting. Try to let it be.

The cynicism or even lack of interest is because it's extremely underwhelming. If you ask 100 people in 1969 what humans would be doing in space in 57 years I can guarantee not a single person would guess that we've done nothing of substance. And that the most exciting thing we have done that involved human space travel is simply flying around the moon, people wouldn't believe it

You think flying around the moon is simple?

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #266

So they let them just wear hoodies in space now? Or are these fancypants space hoodies that cost a quarter mil and weigh a couple grams less? Or does that level of weight reduction not matter because the rocket is nowhere near maxed out?

Just to be clear, this was a serious question.

Re: Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon [video]

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Post by whackernews »

Gagarin1917 wrote: post #396
sega_sai wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it would have been much better, if the nation that launched that mission did not in the same time start a war... I personally simply cannot separate these two things.

Have you always felt the same way about Apollo and the Vietnam War? Or are you considering this for the first time?

I’m finding this a lot. I always found the scrutiny of Trump to be quite over the top and never really found him to be any more corrupt or awful than any other politician, just that he was openly anti establishment. Which is what I guessed was the reason for the hyper scrutiny. I ask some people about Iraq and Afghanistan and they never really seem to know as much or have as much detail as they do with how illegal this Iran war is. I find that odd and have maybe chalked it up to this over-scrutiny again. To be clear I actually think this is good. I feel like we might finally be looking at politicians with the amount of scrutiny we need to, but am not optimistic it will continue when the next pro-establishment character is installed. People also seem to be on board with the Ukraine war, which I also understand but find strange that fighting wars on foreign soil are sometimes “good” and sometimes “bad”? For me I have a simple rule; if they’re not at the birder of my own country I’m not interested. You can argue details and complexities but the way I see it is that wars are a fucking mess and there are lots of complexities that can be used to sell you either way. If you’re not there, you don’t know. I always wonder if France and the UK hadn’t declared war on Germany, would WWII ever happened? It’s an interesting one and more of a thought experiment but the implications are interesting and raises some very touchy moral questions. It’s basically a massive trolley problem question with lots of unknowns.
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