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Re: Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

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Post by SingAlong »

cabalamat wrote: post #39
yummyfajitas wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Karma >= 2 would probably be sufficient. It rules out people who have not interacted with the community at all, without turning HN into some exclusive "members only" club.

I think it should be at least karma >= 50

25 would be good. 50 is a long way. I'm was at 221 4 weeks back and I'm still at 232. (I don't comment on threads that I don't understand) and there are many like who are doing it this way. So keeping the posting threshold as low as 25 would be nice.

What happens if this guy heard from someone that people here give good feedback abt his new idea or startup? Should he wait for long (like 2-3 weeks to get 25 or 50 points) to get feedback? So I'm a bit biased about having posting thresholds for new threads.

Re: Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

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Post by sorbus »

cabalamat wrote: post #38
jm4 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would certainly cut down on a lot of garbage. Most of the posts I flag (mostly spam links) are from users who have only been registered for a few minutes. On the other hand, you could have long-time lurkers with no karma that are unable to submit and that could be a problem. You couldn't base it on length of time registered instead of karma either because then spammers would register accounts and sit on them befor…

> you could have long-time lurkers with no karma that are unable to submit and that could be a problem I think think that's a problem. If someone is just a lurker they aren't really fully a member of the community the way a poster is. And when has posted plenty of comments, gotten up-arrows for some and down-arrows for others, they have a better idea of what community standards are.

As a lurker, I sort of agree. That is, I don't think that I'm a real part of the community - being more the type to hang around the edges, listening to the conversation - but I think that that is a valid way of figuring out community standards; watching other people try, and seeing what works. So yes, I'm sort of biased against restricting article submission based on points and comments.

On the other hand, neither do I expect to submit anything very soon, so I suppose that not being able to wouldn't matter much to me (until I want to submit something, of course). It would be quite interesting to see statistics for who submits articles, and how many comments / points they have, and how long they have been a member.

Re: Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

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Post by jackowayed »

russell wrote: post #22
xenophanes wrote: post #5

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Please make it rate limiting that is relaxed as karma increases. Let someone with zero karma submit a story per 2 days or something, not never.

I think story submission should require 50-100 points or karma and/or a week or two of membership. It's a kind or rite of passage, participate in the community and you can contribute stories. Be around long enough to observe the culture.

and what about the person who has an AMAZING story but just joined?

I realize that we have these issues, but anything that's not going to make it take way too long for people to be able to submit isn't going to help the signal/noise ratio much.

It's kind of presumptuous and pompous to assume that just because someone hasn't been on HN, they don't know hacker culture through some other means. HN may be "hacker news," but plenty of hackers aren't on HN (even though it may seem as if everyone is on HN now).

And the more emphasis we put on karma, the more people will do things with the intent of enhancing their karma rather than enhancing the discussion.

Re: Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

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Post by timf »

rms wrote: post #36
timf wrote: post #31

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Are you suggesting, by extension, that if there are 300 submissions an hour (instead of per day) and 24 times more users that it will "all work out" and a set of similarly interesting things would pop out?

Actually I think the front page would be marginally more interesting at the consequence of many more stories going unnoticed. I'm also not convinced that it is possible for there to be 24 times more stories -- is there really that much relevant news out there? With 24 times more users I think we would see 5-6 times more submissions.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=476387

Re: Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

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Post by kwamenum86 »

It isn't that hard to get karma...thresholds could go far in preserving the culture if set to something really high (I am thinking 1000+). I reached 500+ fairly effortlessly though and I was not always a good citizen- I have 5-10+ submissions that were killed and several of my comments have been downmodded or killed.

Re: Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

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Post by pg »

albertcardona wrote: post #29
pg wrote: post #24

Stuff falling off the end of the New list before it has time to get voted onto the front page is a perennial problem. It doesn't seem any worse now than it was a year ago. Which is not surprising, because the factor driving the rate of new submissions, the number of users, is also the one driving the rate at which things on the New page get upvoted.

Have you experimented with, instead of a queue, a randomized subset of the links posted over the last 24 h? The random strategy may give an even chance to new submissions, regardless of what hour of the day they were posted. Would remove the ability to wait for a specific time to make a submission for the purpose of making it score high faster. I don't know what possible negative consequences the randomized subset co…

You would lose the sequence of submissions, which is itself quite interesting information.

Re: Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

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Post by pg »

timf wrote: post #31
pg wrote: post #24

Stuff falling off the end of the New list before it has time to get voted onto the front page is a perennial problem. It doesn't seem any worse now than it was a year ago. Which is not surprising, because the factor driving the rate of new submissions, the number of users, is also the one driving the rate at which things on the New page get upvoted.

Are you suggesting, by extension, that if there are 300 submissions an hour (instead of per day) and 24 times more users that it will "all work out" and a set of similarly interesting things would pop out?

Quite possibly. When you submit something that's already been submitted, it counts as an upvote. So although things would fly off the New page too fast for most people to see most of them, interesting things would still get enough upvotes to get a toehold on the front page.

Re: Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

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Post by undertoad »

jackowayed wrote: post #43
russell wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think story submission should require 50-100 points or karma and/or a week or two of membership. It's a kind or rite of passage, participate in the community and you can contribute stories. Be around long enough to observe the culture.

and what about the person who has an AMAZING story but just joined? I realize that we have these issues, but anything that's not going to make it take way too long for people to be able to submit isn't going to help the signal/noise ratio much. It's kind of presumptuous and pompous to assume that just because someone hasn't been on HN, they don't know hacker culture through some other means. HN may be "hacker news,"…

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