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Re: Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

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Post by aak »

How about a karma marketplace?

1. Upvoting costs an amount of karma points proportional to the number of points the article has at that time. Hence, it costs more to upvote an article on the home page than it costs to upvote an article in the New section.

2. If I choose to spend karma by voting on an article and it starts to rise, I get proportional "returns" on my karma.

This incentivizes me to upvote New articles I think HN will like. But then again if I lose all my karma points, I might need a bailout.

Re: Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

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Post by russell »

xenophanes wrote: post #5
timf wrote: post #2

My only thought is to think about limiting submission rights to a certain/higher karma threshold.

Please make it rate limiting that is relaxed as karma increases. Let someone with zero karma submit a story per 2 days or something, not never.

I think story submission should require 50-100 points or karma and/or a week or two of membership. It's a kind or rite of passage, participate in the community and you can contribute stories. Be around long enough to observe the culture.

Re: Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

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Post by pclark »

sidsavara wrote: post #10

If I may briefly interject, one really nice resource for this is the greasemonkey hacker news toolkit script http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/25039 It can add the 5 newest submissions to the bottom of the front page. This is not a perfect solution, I agree it is a band aid to the larger issue of reducing junk submissions. However, it makes it easier for me to come to the front page and I definitely vote up more fr…

might not be perfect -- but its really great for me - thanks :)

Re: Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

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Post by pg »

Stuff falling off the end of the New list before it has time to get voted onto the front page is a perennial problem. It doesn't seem any worse now than it was a year ago. Which is not surprising, because the factor driving the rate of new submissions, the number of users, is also the one driving the rate at which things on the New page get upvoted.

Re: Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

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Post by tjic »

swombat wrote: post #15

Unless this is having an impact whereby the home page is filled with bad stuff, I'm afraid there's little you can do. There are only so many slots on the front page and bringing more "new good stuff" on it will only push old good stuff out faster. This "problem" is a reflection of the fact that there's higher competition for a limited resource (front page slots) because there are more stories to choose from, rather t…

Personally, I wouldn't mind a bit of high-quality churn on the front page.

Re: Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

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Post by hedgehog »

cx01 wrote: post #11

An interesting idea would be to make a submission cost 1 Karma point. So people would only submit a story if they think it's reasonable that someone might upvote it.

A method that should be minimally visible while eliminating rapid fire spam posting:

Allow each account to have one item at a time in queue that has fewer than x points with x being a global threshold (perhaps start at two and increase if needed).

This allows anyone to post but prevents any one account from dominating the queue without the group's consent. It's still possible to game by making multiple accounts but that should be fairly easy to see in the logs if it becomes a problem.

Re: Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

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Post by katz »

sidsavara wrote: post #12
cx01 wrote: post #11

An interesting idea would be to make a submission cost 1 Karma point. So people would only submit a story if they think it's reasonable that someone might upvote it.

There are two issues with that. One is it makes karma into even more of a competition: 1) Keynesian beauty contest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_beauty_contest 2) I don't think most spammers care about karma anyway, and will likely just continue to submit junk. I think well meaning newbies might be either turned off by it, or try to game it (e.g., make accounts with 3 friends, constantly vote up each others…

"1) Keynesian beauty contest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_beauty_contest"

This is so true. Most of the other sites degenerated into karma wh*ring.

Another problem is that the behaviour of a dominant group attract others from the group and puts pressure on those that differ.

Re: Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

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Post by RiderOfGiraffes »

josefresco wrote: post #17

How many of you actually Police the new section of HN? I will flag maybe a couple stories per week, anyone with a much higher rate? Maybe the site should encourage those with higher karma to spend more time policing (the put up or shut up method).

I read the new page rather than the "front" page, because so many interesting submissions never make it to the front. Likewise, there are so many duplicates that won't make it that ought to be flagged.

I'm getting tired of bothering. I rarely, rarely get any karma for this, there is no reward, and the problem is getting worse. I'm going to stop bothering soon, and write a Bayesian-based filter to auto-detect the things I might have an interest in.

The mechanisms here are failing to find things of interest to me any more.

Re: Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

#29

Post by albertcardona »

pg wrote: post #24

Stuff falling off the end of the New list before it has time to get voted onto the front page is a perennial problem. It doesn't seem any worse now than it was a year ago. Which is not surprising, because the factor driving the rate of new submissions, the number of users, is also the one driving the rate at which things on the New page get upvoted.

Have you experimented with, instead of a queue, a randomized subset of the links posted over the last 24 h?

The random strategy may give an even chance to new submissions, regardless of what hour of the day they were posted. Would remove the ability to wait for a specific time to make a submission for the purpose of making it score high faster.

I don't know what possible negative consequences the randomized subset could have.

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