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Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by josh_p »

merlindru wrote: post #561
bethekind wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think my next steps are: 1) try out openai $20/month. I've heard they're much more generous. 2) try out open router free models. I don't need geniuses, so long as I can see the thinking (something that Claude code obfuscates by default) I should be good. I've heard good things about the CLIO harness and want to try openrouter+clio

i tried out gpt 5.4 xhigh and it did meaningfully worse with the same prompt as opus 4.6. like, obvious mistakes

I've been pretty satisfied using oh-my-openagent (omo) on opencode with both opus-4.6 and gpt-5.4 lately. The author of omo suggests different prompting strategies for different models and goes into some detail here. https://github.com/code-yeongyu/oh-my-openagent/blob/dev/doc... For each agent they define, they change the prompt depending on which model is being used to fit it. I wonder how much of the "x did worse than y for the same prompt" tests could be improved if the prompts were actually tailored to what the model is good at. I also wonder if any of this matters or if it's all a crock of bologna..

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by gck1 »

Aperocky wrote: post #316
Multiplayer wrote: post #44

Big Giant Million Dollar Question: Where does having Openclaw using Claude Code via ACP fall? It's using the Claude Code harness, not the model directly. If you are not aware, ACP creates a persistent session for steering rather than using the models directly.

I have no idea what ACP offers that are superior to a tmux session. With tmux, you can attach to it at any time, send keys at any time, and capture pane without bothering any running process inside. And you don't have to get anyone's permission to use tmux.

> And you don't have to get anyone's permission to use tmux.

I'm not so sure about that. I have my own local multi agent orchestration setup with tmux and native claude code, codex, and gemini. They can talk between each other using tmux.

I'm not sure precisely when does a wrapper around Claude Code become a "third party harness". If OpenCode is a third party harness, why is tmux not?

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by jimbob45 »

g-mork wrote: post #77

My answer to this is simply rolling back to the pro plan for interactive usage in the coming month, and forcefully cutting myself over to one of the alternative Chinese models to just get over the hump and normalise API pricing at a sensible rate with sensible semantics. Dealing with Claude going into stupid mode 15 times a day, constant HTTP errors, etc. just isn't really worth it for all it does. I can't see myself…

constant HTTP errors

Dealing with these right now with ChatGPT. Bricked a thread which I didn’t even know was possible.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by Aeolun »

goosejuice wrote: post #160
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #73

There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Clau…

What you're saying is conceptually true for subscription services in general, but thats not why they are making this change. There's a 5 hour limit and a weekly limit. Those are hard token limits. Everyone on a plan pays for the max set of tokens in that plan. The limits manage capacity. The solution to that isn't a change of ToS, it's adjusting the limits. In other words this is about Anthropic subsidizing their own…

I am happy they are banning openclaw users instead of lowering my limits to compensate for these automated agents though.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by Aperocky »

gck1 wrote: post #842
Aperocky wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea what ACP offers that are superior to a tmux session. With tmux, you can attach to it at any time, send keys at any time, and capture pane without bothering any running process inside. And you don't have to get anyone's permission to use tmux.

> And you don't have to get anyone's permission to use tmux. I'm not so sure about that. I have my own local multi agent orchestration setup with tmux and native claude code, codex, and gemini. They can talk between each other using tmux. I'm not sure precisely when does a wrapper around Claude Code become a "third party harness". If OpenCode is a third party harness, why is tmux not?

on spirit, yes. programmatically speaking, not really.

And judging by intention is a slippery slope, and they'll probably end up just banning everyone who are high usage. While some smart orchestration setup will fly under the radar (i.e. trivial to rate limit the cross tmux communication).

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by danpalmer »

alasano wrote: post #303
danpalmer wrote: post #143

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You don't pay for capacity, you pay for an interface. Paying for capacity is what API keys are for. Similarly, on a home internet connection you might pay for a given size of pipe, but most residential ISPs don't allow running publicly accessible servers on your connection because you'll typically use way more of the bandwidth.

If that same internet provider has caps on how much bandwidth I can use every 5 hours and total on a weekly basis, then yes, I pay for capacity. That argument would have been valid when the 5 hours blocks were unlimited in the beginning.

My home ISP, as most are now, have "unlimited downloads". There's no limit on usage by numbers, because consumers don't like that. Instead there's limit on usage by style. I can't run a public server on it, and I don't get a business SLA. For home usage that's ideal, I don't need those things but I don't want to worry about limits.

These plans vs API keys issues are exactly the same concept.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by danpalmer »

klohto wrote: post #529
danpalmer wrote: post #129

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Please don't use grossly offensive terms in this forum. That sort of language is not welcome here.

Since when are you a moderator?

We're all a part of deciding what culture we want to have in our communities. Culture is what we make it, and I don't want a space where people use that sort of language regardless of whether anyone is a mod or not.
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