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Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs

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Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs

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Post by Fnoord »

999900000999 wrote: post #47
Fnoord wrote: post #29

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Those $100 ones don't come with a cage. If you do want a cage, you'll end up with $180 in total, with zero warranty. Article mentions: "Apple finally approved our driver for both AMD and NVIDIA" Does not mention Intel (GPUs). Select AMD GPUs work on macOS, but... Macs (both Intel and ARM) support TB, but eGPU only work on Intel Macs, and basically only with AMD. Good news is for medium end gaming choices are solid, a…

Fortune favors the bold my friend. I own one of these, the cage is just a piece of plastic. Anyway, I don't think 80$ is that big of a difference here. I can't really afford a 4k Nvidia GPU. Intel is my only hope.

Almost twice the price and simply more accurate info regarding price and features.

Brand is TH3P4G3. Egpu.io has decent eGPU comparisons.

I wouldn't want all that dust in my GPU fans, prefer that near my case fans. I also don't like it given I got cats and want to store/box hw. I do use the eGPU in the fuse box. If I had a larger house, I'd use a server rack.

I was recently in the market for an eGPU but for a different niche (not eGPU/eNPU/eTPU but getting a HBA via TB to connect a LTO-6 drive via SAS). I went for a Sonnet instead, very low profile and small. I also bought an Asus one. Slightly bigger, came with more fans but TB4 instead of TB3 on the Sonnet. The cages are aluminium. Those eGPU were second hand (also without warranty but quicker S&H than Chinese New Year) but came with PSU. As you also gotta buy a PSU for it which came with the eGPUs I mentioned. For me no biggie, as I got a decent PSU lying around.

Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs

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Post by Underphil »

TheDong wrote: post #54
mulderc wrote: post #45

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Apple doesn’t have a monopoly in any market they are in.

It depends how you define the market. In the 2001 microsoft case [0], the courts ruled Microsoft had a monopoly over the "Intel-based personal computer market". Apple has a monopoly over the "M-chip" personal computer market. They have a monopoly over the iOS market with the app store. They have a monopoly over the driver market on macOS. Like, Microsoft was found guilty of exploiting its monopoly for installing IE b…

I don't think any of what you're describing are legal "monopolies". I don't have a single Apple product in my life but I'm fairly sure there's nothing I'm prevented from doing because of that.

Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs

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Post by TheDong »

aljgz wrote: post #57
deepsun wrote: post #42

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Don't purchase? I don't own any Apple devices, everything works fine.

I don't understand the logic for downvotes. We vote with our wallets. When I could not update the Ram on my personal Dell machine I asked for a Frame.work in my new job. As my Intel based FW at work had thermal throttling problems, for my next personal purchase I got an AMD one. As Ubuntu had shady practices, I installed Fedora, as Gnome forced UX choices I did not want, I used KDE. As I wanted my machine to be even…

"We vote with our wallet, so don't complain" is a bad take in my opinion.

Like, for phones, I want a phone which runs Linux, has NFC support, and also has iMessage so my friend who only communicates with blue-bubbles and will never message a green-bubble will still talk to me. I also want it to have regulatory approval in the country I live in so I can legally use it to make calls.

Because apple has closed the iMessage ecosystem such that a linux phone can't use it, such a device is impossible. I cannot vote for it.

As such, I will complain about every phone I own for the foreseeable future.

Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs

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Post by hilsdev »

TheDong wrote: post #54
mulderc wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple doesn’t have a monopoly in any market they are in.

It depends how you define the market. In the 2001 microsoft case [0], the courts ruled Microsoft had a monopoly over the "Intel-based personal computer market". Apple has a monopoly over the "M-chip" personal computer market. They have a monopoly over the iOS market with the app store. They have a monopoly over the driver market on macOS. Like, Microsoft was found guilty of exploiting its monopoly for installing IE b…

I wouldn’t say it is obvious. Apple does not have the monopoly of ARM based PCs. Labeling it as a monopoly of M chips is not fair or accurate when comparing to MS on Intel. It’s also probably relevant that MS was not selling PCs or their own hardware. They had a monopoly on a market where you effectively had to use their software to use the hardware you bought from a different company. Because Apple is selling their own hardware and software as a single product, the consumer is not forced into restricting the hardware they bought by a second company’s policies.

Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs

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Post by TheDong »

Underphil wrote: post #63
TheDong wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends how you define the market. In the 2001 microsoft case [0], the courts ruled Microsoft had a monopoly over the "Intel-based personal computer market". Apple has a monopoly over the "M-chip" personal computer market. They have a monopoly over the iOS market with the app store. They have a monopoly over the driver market on macOS. Like, Microsoft was found guilty of exploiting its monopoly for installing IE b…

I don't think any of what you're describing are legal "monopolies". I don't have a single Apple product in my life but I'm fairly sure there's nothing I'm prevented from doing because of that.

And back in the "Microsoft has a monopoly on IE6" ruling's days, I did not use Windows or Internet Explorer, and I was not prevented from doing anything because of that. Netscape Navigator on Linux worked fine. Sure, I occasionally hit sites that were broken and only worked in IE, but I also right now frequently hit apps that are "macOS only" (like when Claude Cowork released, or a ton of other YC company's apps).

Microsoft was found guilty, so clearly the bar is not what you're trying to claim.

Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs

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Post by Underphil »

TheDong wrote: post #58
deepsun wrote: post #42

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Don't purchase? I don't own any Apple devices, everything works fine.

Unfortunately, Apple still won't release iMessage for Android or Linux (unlike every other messenger platform, like whatsapp, telegram, wechat, microsoft teams, etc, which are all cross-platform). Because of that, you need an apple device around to be able to deal with iMessage users.

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Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs

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Post by GeekyBear »

dd_xplore wrote: post #53

Why does Apple need to make the drivers in a walled garden? Atleast they should support major device categories with official drivers.

> Why does Apple need to make the drivers in a walled garden?

For the same reason that Microsoft requires Windows driver signing?

Drivers run with root permissions.

Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs

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Post by sunnybeetroot »

TheDong wrote: post #58
deepsun wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't purchase? I don't own any Apple devices, everything works fine.

Unfortunately, Apple still won't release iMessage for Android or Linux (unlike every other messenger platform, like whatsapp, telegram, wechat, microsoft teams, etc, which are all cross-platform). Because of that, you need an apple device around to be able to deal with iMessage users.

That is no longer true. https://bluebubbles.app/ Well… it’s not exactly no longer true, you do need an Apple VM but it doesn’t have to be the end device.

Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs

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Post by mschuster91 »

dd_xplore wrote: post #53

Why does Apple need to make the drivers in a walled garden? Atleast they should support major device categories with official drivers.

> Why does Apple need to make the drivers in a walled garden?

Because third party drivers usually are utter dogshit. That's how Apple managed to get double the battery life time even in the Intel era over comparable Windows based offerings.

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