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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
#82So are you also not allowed to move away or? I find it pretty messed up that your life as a man is literally owned by the government.
No, it literally says the law says you must seek permission if you wanna leave for more than 3 months and the govt must always grant you this if not in a war. And if you fail to seek permission nothing happens. You can ignore it without consequence.
>And if you fail to seek permission nothing happens. You can ignore it without consequence
The consequence is you violated the law, and they can have you at any time, even retroactively, for that.
That they don't is merely a detail. If it really has "no consequence" they should remove it.
Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
#84So are you also not allowed to move away or? I find it pretty messed up that your life as a man is literally owned by the government.
You are, but it's a shit law and surprising to still exist in Germany. Per the article it's not a new law, has been in effect since the 80s, and there have been no repercussions for violating this law.
Instead, my 2c, should have changed it to a notice you have to send the military, at most.
Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
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Rather than curtailing women's right to vote, my preferred solution would be to increase men's right to not be conscripted.
You can't have a country that doesn't have conscription in time of war. For example if Russia were to attack which is unlikely but plausible. I don't like conscription at all and it's necessary but still an evil.
Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
#86So it's a cold war law which is still in place but not being enforced.
Same for conscription laws in the Netherlands, which are also still active. They just don't ask anyone to report for conscription. It was even expanded a couple of years before the Ukraine war to also include women.
Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
#87So it's a cold war law which is still in place but not being enforced. Same for conscription laws in the Netherlands, which are also still active. They just don't ask anyone to report for conscription. It was even expanded a couple of years before the Ukraine war to also include women.
> The new military service law requires all men under 45 to seek approval from the Bundeswehr to leave the country for longer than three months. It also obliges the military career center to issue it.
New. Not cold war. This didn't exist before.
Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
#88So are you also not allowed to move away or? I find it pretty messed up that your life as a man is literally owned by the government.
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With all your respect the guidelines also mention this:
> Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that".
Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
#89So it's a cold war law which is still in place but not being enforced. Same for conscription laws in the Netherlands, which are also still active. They just don't ask anyone to report for conscription. It was even expanded a couple of years before the Ukraine war to also include women.
> The new military service law requires all men under 45 to seek approval from the Bundeswehr to leave the country for longer than three months. It also obliges the military career center to issue it. New. Not cold war. This didn't exist before.
It's a re-instatement of a cold war era law that was suspended in 2011.
Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
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The obvious solution is to include women in draft rolls.