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F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by nmbrskeptix »

To unpoison y'alls priors, I want to remind HN that in the Kosovo air campaign, the Yugoslavs took out a nighthawk (F117) and an F16. They claimed more nighthawks that limped home.

The F117 is a very stealthy plane, given its geometry (flat panels). Yet a 1960s radar with essentially no digital equipment took it out, largely using human intelligence and guerrilla tactics.

Iran has modern digital electronics (to improve the signal to noise ratio, merge different data sources, etc) and modern electronics. They are also master guerrilla fighters and have, great, native missile technology.

Iranian airspace is contested at best. We certainly do not have air superiority over it.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by hirako2000 »

Bloating wrote: post #857

What would happen if you organized a No Kings rally in Iran?

As a matter of facts there are frequent massive gatherings in the streets of Iran's, against the U.S. and the U.S military has been bombing those protests. It doesn't make the news of course, as it would be admitting the exact opposite of a regime change is taking place in Iran.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by hirako2000 »

derriz wrote: post #266
victorbjorklund wrote: post #142

If true I can’t imagine it will play well even among Trumps base. When was the last time a US fighter jet was shot down? 1999 during the intervention in the balkans?

Trump leads a personality cult not a traditional political base. There are some who have stopped supporting him because they thought he aligned with their political views but 35% or so of the US population still support him despite his 180 degree turn on two of his foundational election promises: to keep the US out of foreign wars and to bust open an international pedophile ring run for elites.

Had also promised to end the war in Ukraine. In two weeks.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by s0rce »

pram wrote: post #160
MarkMarine wrote: post #21

Military aviators train for this, being alone behind enemy lines (look up SERE school if you’re curious, one of the craziest training courses outside of special forces) and there is a special force just for aviator recovery behind enemy lines, US AirForce Pararescue. Hopefully they’ll get the aviators back quickly, the last thing our country needs is American hostages making this ridiculous war harder to stop.

TBH I went through SERE school (aircrew) and I questioned its value, since the training is in eastern Washington/northern Idaho area mountainous woodland environment and all the evasion they showed us relied on that kind of cover and "bushcraft" And you know, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Iran are definitely not eastern Washington lol

Eastern WA is mostly open sagebrush (or farms) they were just in the wrong part of it.

Source: lived there.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by bambax »

MarkMarine wrote: post #21

Military aviators train for this, being alone behind enemy lines (look up SERE school if you’re curious, one of the craziest training courses outside of special forces) and there is a special force just for aviator recovery behind enemy lines, US AirForce Pararescue. Hopefully they’ll get the aviators back quickly, the last thing our country needs is American hostages making this ridiculous war harder to stop.

> making this ridiculous war harder to stop

If the US military would like this war to stop they could not fight it, that would be pretty easy I think. Probably not without consequences, but that would show actual courage. Whereas dropping bombs on civilian from afar shows zero.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by watwut »

itsthecourier wrote: post #898
cenamus wrote: post #825

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't see anything about Russias invasion either. 1.5 million casualties and counting.

that's exactly my perspective on it. it's not about the ukranian, sudanese, Syrian, Irani or Yemeni. those lives seem to be way less worthy of press judging for the coverage the left want to put in Palestinian people. it doesn't follow the principle of equal value on lives but a political agenda and mountains of useful trend followers

I mean, there is differe between civilians killed by soldiers and ... literally soldiers who are there for the purpose of killing locals.

Russian army can stop the invasion any time they decide and individual men who are there were hired as aggressors.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by blitzar »

hirako2000 wrote: post #893
lejalv wrote: post #734

So how is this not flagged, whereas this other post lasted literally minutes before being flagged? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47612053 75000+ palestinians killed, arguably one of the defining crimes of our age are not worth HN discussion (“politics”) but one F15E shot down in a war of choice is (apparently, “tech”)?

Being the most technologically advanced aircraft in history, one could argue that's a tech novelty they got shut down by some obliterated, imprecise weaponry.

Being the most technologically advanced aircraft in 1969 ... a novelty indeed.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by watwut »

ranyume wrote: post #916
itsthecourier wrote: post #898

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's exactly my perspective on it. it's not about the ukranian, sudanese, Syrian, Irani or Yemeni. those lives seem to be way less worthy of press judging for the coverage the left want to put in Palestinian people. it doesn't follow the principle of equal value on lives but a political agenda and mountains of useful trend followers

Let's not confuse things. One thing is lives lost at a war, another thing is lives lost at a genocide.

One is victim if genocide. Other us someone who attempted genocide and was stopped by force.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

parineum wrote: post #926
nkbjgvnm wrote: post #845

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it hard to have any sympathy for the American pilots that are dropping bombs on schoolgirls.

Do you support the general rhetorical tactic of taking a single example and expanding it to the entirety of a group? If so, I assume you're also upset about the bad hombres crossing the US southern border. After all, they are killers and rapists, right?

You’re generalising from some criminals to an entire civilian population. The parent generalized from military to military. There’s a slight difference in the two.

Also, remember that it was the US who declared “no quarter”, not the Iranians.

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