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Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Post by jcranmer »

blastro wrote: post #68
freedomben wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree after reading Walter Isaacson's excellent biography of Elon. It's deeply unfortunate that the book is already a few years old, I'd love and buy the hell out of a 2nd edition that is updated with the last few years. Obviously it's always been latent in Elon, but he was a pretty bog standard lightly-if-apolitical silicon valley startup guy for most of his adult life. The free speech erosion under the Bide…

Free speech erosion under Biden... can you elaborate?

There are a lot of people who are unhappy with the steps the government took to crack down on COVID misinformation, and some people are still upset about Twitter's decision to limit spread of the Hunter Biden laptop story (which was entirely unilateral, and reversed within 24 hours).

Both of these took place in 2020, when Trump was president, but of course Trump's greatest coup was to make everybody think Biden was president in 2020.

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Post by girvo »

chongli wrote: post #95
girvo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Induction is better than gas in basically any way you can care to slice it, and natural gas in your home is actually quite bad for air quality. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-17/kitchen-pollutants-st...

Induction requires your cookware to sit flat against the surface or it won’t heat up (and the range will shut off after a certain time). With natural gas the flames rise through convection and wrap around the contours of the pan. This means many traditional pieces of cookware with round bottoms simply will not work on induction but work fine on natural gas. Induction also requires the cookware to be ferromagnetic. Th…

> Induction requires your cookware to sit flat against the surface or it won’t heat up

Not really. You’ve obviously not used modern induction cooktops (though if you’ve gone to a restaurant you’ve eaten from it).

> The temperature profile of a round-bottom wok over gas flame is also superior to a flat-bottom wok on induction

Explain why induction cooktops are incredibly widespread across modern Asian restaurants. You’ve really got to update your priors.

Don’t listen to me, listen to a professional chef (who runs an awesome restaurant in Shenzhen): https://youtu.be/vgv_IiSZarY?si=fgl1w1udQ72xqY3n

Candy making, I’ll concede because I have no experience. In every other way induction is still better.

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Post by midnitewarrior »

tlogan wrote: post #67
Aurornis wrote: post #17

This is all so frustrating. Tesla could have easily been an American auto maker generational success story. Instead they’re working hard to undermine their own success, turn their brand toxic, and even design vehicles that are unappealing to key purchasing demographics (Cybertruck).

I think Tesla as a company is doing the right moves. The management (excluding Elon) seems solid and smart. The problem is that we often attach a company or a larger idea to a single person, even when it is much much bigger than that individual. People started boycotting Tesla because of Elon Musk, without considering that Tesla is actually thousands of engineers, workers, and managers. And majority of decisions are…

Elon has always been the face of Tesla since he acquired it from the founders. Early he was a brand asset, but tying one's identity so strongly to a company is a brand risk when that person's image is tarnished.

Just look at Martha Stewart Living during her incarceration.

Celebrities are great at building brands, but they need to back away from their personal successes have bootstrapped the new brand before something they do becomes a liability.

Subway made their own celebrity spokesperson (Jared) and hitched their wagon to him for far too long. One or two years is understandable, but Subway had him so long it merged its identity with Jared until the truth about Jared was revealed.

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Post by motiw »

Tesla's FSD problem isn't the technology, it's the positioning. It's genuinely good at what it does but selling it as "Full Self-Driving" set an expectation it can't meet. If they had framed it as the best safety feature, always aware co-driver watching out for you, people would trust it far more and adoption would be much higher.

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Post by dj_rock »

MPSimmons wrote: post #30
Aurornis wrote: post #17

This is all so frustrating. Tesla could have easily been an American auto maker generational success story. Instead they’re working hard to undermine their own success, turn their brand toxic, and even design vehicles that are unappealing to key purchasing demographics (Cybertruck).

Yes, Elon's trajectory has been absolutely unbelievable since 2019 or so. Talk about a guy who cratered his whole reputation. It's a shame.

And yet he's only about 500B richer than the second richest person in the world:

https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/

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Post by enoint »

stingraycharles wrote: post #53
jm4 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What changed is he took the mask off. He was always the sleaze that he is today, but a lot of us were fooled into believing he wanted to do something good.

I think the vast majority of people that operate at that level of success have a similar mask, but they’re more successful in managing it. What caused Elon to lose his ability to manage it is subject for debate, I personally believe he discovered drugs in 2019 and the rest is history.

His contact with Epstein began in 2012.

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

tlogan wrote: post #67
Aurornis wrote: post #17

This is all so frustrating. Tesla could have easily been an American auto maker generational success story. Instead they’re working hard to undermine their own success, turn their brand toxic, and even design vehicles that are unappealing to key purchasing demographics (Cybertruck).

I think Tesla as a company is doing the right moves. The management (excluding Elon) seems solid and smart. The problem is that we often attach a company or a larger idea to a single person, even when it is much much bigger than that individual. People started boycotting Tesla because of Elon Musk, without considering that Tesla is actually thousands of engineers, workers, and managers. And majority of decisions are…

> I think Tesla as a company is doing the right moves. The management (excluding Elon) seems solid and smart.

How can (generally) dropping sales and having 50,000 unsold cars on stock be the right move?

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Post by alphabettsy »

freedomben wrote: post #89
blastro wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free speech erosion under Biden... can you elaborate?

The administration put pressure on tech companies to make them censor people for "disinformation". For example: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/mark-zuckerbe... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controvers...

Remind me who was president in 2020..

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Post by bigtex »

tlogan wrote: post #67
Aurornis wrote: post #17

This is all so frustrating. Tesla could have easily been an American auto maker generational success story. Instead they’re working hard to undermine their own success, turn their brand toxic, and even design vehicles that are unappealing to key purchasing demographics (Cybertruck).

I think Tesla as a company is doing the right moves. The management (excluding Elon) seems solid and smart. The problem is that we often attach a company or a larger idea to a single person, even when it is much much bigger than that individual. People started boycotting Tesla because of Elon Musk, without considering that Tesla is actually thousands of engineers, workers, and managers. And majority of decisions are…

The Model Y is going on 8 years old, S and X are being shutdown. That leaves you with the 3 and Y. Cybertruck will be shutdown soon. What new models have they announced?
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