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Re: Delve removed from Y Combinator

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Post by arianvanp »

vasco wrote: post #117
jacquesm wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came across a top tier compliance auditor doing the same thing recently. I tried to talk to them about it and rather than approaching this from a constructive point of view they wanted to know the name of the company that got certified so they could decertify them and essentially asked me to break my NDA. That wasn't going to happen, I wanted to have a far more structural conversation about this and how they probab…

It's auditing, nobody that is good at doing anything goes to auditing, unfortunately its one of those jobs. I haven't interacted with any auditor that actually understood all they were auditing, some are better than others but the average is worse than almost any other job description I have dealt with.

If you care about this stuff you need to in-house auditing and do your own audits with people who care. Then get certified by an external auditor for the paper.

You can start very lightweight with doing spec driven development with the help of AI if you're at a size where you can't afford that. It's better than nothing.

But the important part is you, as a company, should inherently care.

If you rely on an auditor feedback loop to get compliant you've already lost.

Re: Delve removed from Y Combinator

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Post by dmos62 »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #87
everfrustrated wrote: post #41

Someone leaked an internal Bookface chat from Garry Tan (YC CEO) saying: We have asked Delve to leave YC. YC is a community, not just an accelerator. The founders in our community have to trust each other, and we have to trust them. When that trust breaks down, there's really only one thing to do. We're not going to get into the details publicly. We wish them well. https://x.com/___4o____/status/2040271468874076380 I…

"They've betrayed my trust but I wish them well" is an interesting statement.

Don't you wish well on people you don't want to associate with? It would be interesting if you didn't, imo.

Re: Delve removed from Y Combinator

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Post by redanddead »

bilalq wrote: post #23
borski wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignoring a law is different from knowingly and intentionally breaking the law, especially when that law is actual intentional fraud. Also, there was no “endgame.” They weren’t trying to change the law; they were exclusively breaking it for profit.

Let me more clearly instead say that many successful startups knowingly and intentionally broke the law. But I agree that Delve is a special case and should naturally be held to a higher standard here because their whole business is around being compliant with the law. When most other startups break the law, they do it to get an advantage over competition. Delve did it in a way that sacrificed their core value toward…

that's defrauding the customer

this will literally get them in court

Re: Delve removed from Y Combinator

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Post by altmanaltman »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #87
everfrustrated wrote: post #41

Someone leaked an internal Bookface chat from Garry Tan (YC CEO) saying: We have asked Delve to leave YC. YC is a community, not just an accelerator. The founders in our community have to trust each other, and we have to trust them. When that trust breaks down, there's really only one thing to do. We're not going to get into the details publicly. We wish them well. https://x.com/___4o____/status/2040271468874076380 I…

"They've betrayed my trust but I wish them well" is an interesting statement.

"they can fuck off from where they came" would be a bit too intense even for Gary

Re: Delve removed from Y Combinator

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Post by kaashif »

worik wrote: post #89
olalonde wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Working around arguably dumb regulations and making your customers happy in the process is not the same as defrauding your customers.

> Working around arguably dumb regulations... ...is breaking the law

Yes, but there is a difference between:

1. Customers want to do something, you help them do it, but it's illegal.

2. Customers want to do something, you tell them you did it, but you were lying and defrauding them.

Re: Delve removed from Y Combinator

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Post by redanddead »

phplovesong wrote: post #69

Classic. I knew this would happen ever sine i first saw Delve on YC. I was right to trust my gut, and never used their product.

it felt very forced from the start, there was no iteration, narrative or pivots

who got these kids into compliance? cause it wasn't them

Re: Delve removed from Y Combinator

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

arianvanp wrote: post #131
vasco wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's auditing, nobody that is good at doing anything goes to auditing, unfortunately its one of those jobs. I haven't interacted with any auditor that actually understood all they were auditing, some are better than others but the average is worse than almost any other job description I have dealt with.

If you care about this stuff you need to in-house auditing and do your own audits with people who care. Then get certified by an external auditor for the paper. You can start very lightweight with doing spec driven development with the help of AI if you're at a size where you can't afford that. It's better than nothing. But the important part is you, as a company, should inherently care. If you rely on an auditor fee…

This function exists in every publicly traded public company, and is called internal audit.

It has the potential to be incredibly impactful, but often devolves into box ticking (like many compliance functions).

And it's really hard to find technical people to do the work, as it's generally perceived as a cost centre so tends not to get budget.

Re: Delve removed from Y Combinator

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Post by jazzpush2 »

yyds666 wrote: post #123

Great to see them take action. I'm waiting for cambioml next. A married couple notorious for fraud that apparently relocated to ME as a result. That's outside of the terrible treatment of ripping off interviewees (see: https://www.reddit.com/r/devops/comments/1n7cdua/got_a_devop... ). Won't even comment on other stories I've heard related to them screwing over employees/cofounders.

That reddit thread is brutal, knowingly making interviewees pay hundreds of dollars to interview in this economy is messed up.

Re: Delve removed from Y Combinator

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Post by maxbond »

hobofan wrote: post #122
johnwheeler wrote: post #103

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Yes, the way this is being pushed online seems like there is a competitor involved. If not in the initial disclosure, then in the daily rehashing of it. It's also still unclear to me how much fraud they actually were involved in, and how much of the fault falls on them. SOC2 Type II and ISO 27001 are not audited by them, but by actual accredited auditors (apparently mainly Accorp and Gradient), which must have been j…

If there were not a manipulative competitor, if people just found fraud and abuse of open source compelling and the story was circulating organically, how would that look different? What do you observe that leads you to believe a manipulative competitor is a better hypothesis?
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