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F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by jpgvm »

logicchains wrote: post #287
jmyeet wrote: post #214

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There are 4 players in this war and they all have very different goals and "victory" conditions. 1. Israel wants to ruin Iran permanently, to turn it into Somalia 2.0, meaning a quasi-state with no organized, central government. Were they to succeed in this it would be a humantarian disaster the likes of which we haven't seen since probably WW2. Tens of millions of refugees that will probably collapse surrounding cou…

> The Gulf States just want to maintain the pre-war status quo. Saudi Arabia in particular just wanted to contain Iran. They're less vulnerable to the Strait being closed but it's still a problem politically as the US and Israel are bombing other Muslims. The Gulf states are learning the the US security guarantee ain't worth shit but they can't break away from being US client states with their own unpopular regimes p…

Pre-war views were very much the status-quo was better than starting a war.

Now that a war is started it has to be finished or the GCC is left far worse off with Iran in a much stronger strategic position in the region despite a decimated military.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by voganmother42 »

MarkMarine wrote: post #21

Military aviators train for this, being alone behind enemy lines (look up SERE school if you’re curious, one of the craziest training courses outside of special forces) and there is a special force just for aviator recovery behind enemy lines, US AirForce Pararescue. Hopefully they’ll get the aviators back quickly, the last thing our country needs is American hostages making this ridiculous war harder to stop.

US FEMA has been working on hand of god teleportation for this exact situation. We need to search the waffle houses first thing

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by LAC-Tech »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #599
mhb wrote: post #592

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Saying "Death to America" doesn't give us the right to bomb them. They've been saying that for a long time now and yet haven't posed serious threat to the US mainland. Trump says a lot of crazy shit as well, would that give other countries the right to bomb the US?

I've gone over this before; but they do not even chant "death to america". It's a deliberate mis-translation to stoke tensions between Iran and the US.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by woah »

worik wrote: post #694
croes wrote: post #671

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The made the same mistakes in Iraq and Afghanistan

Iraq and Afghanistan were mistakes. But this is next level. When it started I thought Iran would be crushed. Ignorant, silly me. There is every chance the USA will have to stop its attacks before achieving any goals. An education, thus is, that I could do without. In New Zealand we will probably run out of diesel soon. This is so stupid, so sadistic and cruel

Only one of the combatants is shooting at civilian shipping

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by dotancohen »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #255
alfalfasprout wrote: post #215

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Well, A-10s are well suited for strafing runs, etc. Presumably they'd be sent in if the area they're entering is presumed safe. That clearly didn't pan out. The reality is avoiding a ground operation was probably the wrong move at this point (ignoring the spicier broader debate of if the whole Iran campaign was the right call or not) It's really hard to truly guarantee surface to air capabilities are gone when you're…

> ignoring the spicier broader debate of if the whole Iran campaign was the right call or not How spicy of a debate is that really? How many people outside of the admin and the dwindling hardcore trump base actually thought this was a good idea?

  > How many people outside of the admin and the dwindling hardcore trump base actually thought this was a good idea?
Almost every single Iranian in the diaspora. And every person who heard Iran chant Death To America while building a nuclear program and a ballistic missile program.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by bijowo1676 »

ericmay wrote: post #213
nutjob2 wrote: post #208

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It'll probably come in the form of permanent $5+/gal gas.

We got through it in 2022. We can get through it again. Though unfortunately Americans will learn the wrong lesson from this which should be to reduce dependency on oil for every day life. We should be aiming to have fewer cars and abandon car-only transportation as policy, and more sidewalks, trams, bike lanes, and better medium density mixed-use development. But if folks want to have Ford F-250s and drive 15 miles…

> aiming to have fewer cars and abandon car-only transportation as policy,

impossible in the US due to (sub)urban sprawl. The only way to get rid of car-only mode is to get rid of suburban sprawl and put people back into dense Eastern European style commieblocks.

Also it is impossible in the US due to market economy. People will inevitable have to commute long distance to reach job sites or customers. Eastern commieblocks could solve that because people worked in large industrial factories, and there were only a handful of factories per town, and one downtown, and all routes were predetermined and planned.

car-only mode is the expression of the American Dream (tm), that you can live in your SFH in a burb, and hop into your personal car any second and go anywhere you want. It is the Ultimate Freedom (tm) and anything else is a significant downgrade in a lifestyle

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Post by testbjjl »

schappim wrote: post #467
bijowo1676 wrote: post #357

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a single AN/FPS-132 radar costs $1.1 bln, not $500m. And Iran stuck 17 of the CENCCOM sites hosting radars of all kinds across Qarar, Bahrain, Iraq, UAE, Saudi, Jordan, Israel, etc). Total cost is so much bigger, it is staggering. The whole CENTCOM is blind basically, as well as Iron Dome which relied on these radars - all blind now, in addition to long-range early nuke detection to protect CONUS is also blind. in ad…

> Iron Dome relied on these radars — all blind now. Iron Dome’s primary fire-control radar is the Israeli EL/M-2084 Multi-Mission Radar, not the USA’s AN/FPS-132

Remind me in two weeks?

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Post by sheeshkebab »

mathgradthrow wrote: post #519
roadbuster wrote: post #116

During the entire gulf war (Iraq, 1990-91), only two F-15s were shot down via surface-to-air engagement. At the time, Baghdad was known to have the highest density of SAM protection out of any city in the world. An F-15 being shot down in Iran after weeks of strategic bombing of their anti-air defense systems is not a good sign.

1) The US has run 13,000 missions over Iran in the last month. Thats a lot of targets. 2) The initial US degradation of Iraqi capabilities was much much greater in gulf war 1. 3) F15s are not stealth fighters. 4) This is 35 years later. 5) "strategic bombing" of air defenses is mostly accomplished with our cruise missiles. We'll take out any air defenses we find, but you don't fly non-stealth planes over SAM batterie…

It’s very likely their initial shock now wore off, and they got resupplied by putin and xi. We might start seeing much more damage going forward. US hasn’t fought a proxy war of this kind in many decades.

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Post by Brybry »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #565
MarkMarine wrote: post #26

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The F35 was able to make an emergency landing in a gulf country. This one actually went down in Iran.

> emergency landing https://preview.redd.it/f35-i-shot-down-in-iran-v0-0gdyroc4o... . I think it's ok to say that it crashed into the ground but the pilot survived. With 'emergency landing' people assume it was just a rough landing whereas the plane here is completely and utterly broken.

I don't know if you noticed but that's not a US F-35 (whole image is probably fake tbh) and the reddit post is from 2025.

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Post by freefrog1234aa »

drnick1 wrote: post #699
ifyoubuildit wrote: post #255

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> ignoring the spicier broader debate of if the whole Iran campaign was the right call or not How spicy of a debate is that really? How many people outside of the admin and the dwindling hardcore trump base actually thought this was a good idea?

I think that you will find that many people think that we ought to solve the 50 year old problem in the Mideast once and for all. Now that the Russians are busy, that Venezuela is down, that Syria has fallen, and that the Chinese are minding their own business is a good time to decapitate Iran. Also Cuba is next.

The military advantage of colonial powers, and the political weakness of the pawn countries is reduced making the great game harder. Venezuela and Syria fell because internally they were divided and the US could find traitors willing to sell out. That didn't happen in Iran, and Cuba will defend themselves if they are united.
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