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F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by epolanski »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #47
spwa4 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is assuming Iran holds itself to the Geneva conventions, which ... seems like an extremely risky bet to make.

The US doesn't hold itself to the conventions, why should the country it started a war of aggression with?

America has never played by the rules.

US exceptionalism is a prominent feature of every republican and democratic president since decades.

It's sad, because if US did, and led by example, it could've pulled serious weight internationally on plenty of matters.

Instead it can only do so by economic or military leverage, which, at the end of the day is not enough of a leverage to avoid confrontation.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by RealityVoid »

rustyhancock wrote: post #326
timcobb wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't really take out "the whole" air defense system because there will always be folks out with MANPAD-type things, those will score hits on occasion. That's probably what we saw here. I doubt MANPADs were nearly as common in the early 90s as they are today.

True but without radar they have a relatively difficult task of being out there setup and waiting for a fast moving jet to pass within range. Compare that to Ukraine defending it's skies with NATO (well mostly French IIRC) AWACS feeding early data which is what made MANPADS in Ukraine so effective against Russian attacks.

I don't think manpads themselves are connected to the AWACS infrastructure.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by FpUser »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #286
ifyoubuildit wrote: post #255

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> ignoring the spicier broader debate of if the whole Iran campaign was the right call or not How spicy of a debate is that really? How many people outside of the admin and the dwindling hardcore trump base actually thought this was a good idea?

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>"As a person who believes in democracy"

Is this a new spelling of fuck whatever semblance of international laws we have and big dicks do as they please?

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by nujabe »

ericd wrote: post #450
bijowo1676 wrote: post #357

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a single AN/FPS-132 radar costs $1.1 bln, not $500m. And Iran stuck 17 of the CENCCOM sites hosting radars of all kinds across Qarar, Bahrain, Iraq, UAE, Saudi, Jordan, Israel, etc). Total cost is so much bigger, it is staggering. The whole CENTCOM is blind basically, as well as Iron Dome which relied on these radars - all blind now, in addition to long-range early nuke detection to protect CONUS is also blind. in ad…

Fact check on this brand new account?

Are you asking someone to fact check publicly available information for you ? Even NYT reported this

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by epolanski »

sph wrote: post #289
sokitsip wrote: post #179

Why is the US there again? Open up a straight that was open? Not expecting a reply.

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It's not the voter. It's the system.

The constitution is old and not democratic.

Russia, Turkey, Phillipines, Belarus, Nicaragua, etc, etc.

Presidential republics are a disaster waiting the right people to break them.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by schappim »

bijowo1676 wrote: post #357
ttul wrote: post #339

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Not to mention the multiple THAAD radars taken offline. Those are $500M assets - and only 8 exist in the world. 24,000 precise transceivers all liquid cooled… not available on Amazon for next day deliver either.

a single AN/FPS-132 radar costs $1.1 bln, not $500m. And Iran stuck 17 of the CENCCOM sites hosting radars of all kinds across Qarar, Bahrain, Iraq, UAE, Saudi, Jordan, Israel, etc). Total cost is so much bigger, it is staggering. The whole CENTCOM is blind basically, as well as Iron Dome which relied on these radars - all blind now, in addition to long-range early nuke detection to protect CONUS is also blind. in ad…

> Iron Dome relied on these radars — all blind now.

Iron Dome’s primary fire-control radar is the Israeli EL/M-2084 Multi-Mission Radar, not the USA’s AN/FPS-132

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by iwontberude »

juliusceasar wrote: post #389
bijowo1676 wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a single AN/FPS-132 radar costs $1.1 bln, not $500m. And Iran stuck 17 of the CENCCOM sites hosting radars of all kinds across Qarar, Bahrain, Iraq, UAE, Saudi, Jordan, Israel, etc). Total cost is so much bigger, it is staggering. The whole CENTCOM is blind basically, as well as Iron Dome which relied on these radars - all blind now, in addition to long-range early nuke detection to protect CONUS is also blind. in ad…

This is good news. Actually not for those whom chose to start the 2nd Epstein war. I really hope that Israeli and Iranian governments both go to hell. May both destroy each other.

For the United States, the government doesn't have the capability to extricate Israel from its political system, but the feds can create blowback for Israel which makes them less capable to influence the US in the future while achieving other strategic aims in the region. US war planners know plenty about blow back and I think this is being done on purpose. I am terrified for innocent Israelis, Iranians and Gulf state residents that have been led into this. Most of the states and peoples in the Middle East who have been destroyed used to be allies with the US. That isn't on accident.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by Saline9515 »

mrits wrote: post #430
jari_mustonen wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Have you considered not providing intel to Irak to allow them to use sarin gas against the Iranians? Or overthrowing their democratic regime that wanted an audit to understand how much of its oil was stolen by US companies? Or designating it as the "Axis of Evil" and sanctioning it after that it helped you invade Afghanistan? Or assassinating their religious leader during negociations?

Iran didn't become skeptic about the US overnight. I would advise to do some reading on wikipedia on the topic to make up your mind.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by daemonologist »

hokkos wrote: post #459
ttul wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention the multiple THAAD radars taken offline. Those are $500M assets - and only 8 exist in the world. 24,000 precise transceivers all liquid cooled… not available on Amazon for next day deliver either.

Is this story even true ? There has been fake AI photo about destructed THAAD radars : https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.A2B239E

If you scroll to the bottom of that page, they discuss possible evidence of damage to the radar from satellite imagery.
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