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Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by g-mork »

danpalmer wrote: post #129
g-mork wrote: post #77

My answer to this is simply rolling back to the pro plan for interactive usage in the coming month, and forcefully cutting myself over to one of the alternative Chinese models to just get over the hump and normalise API pricing at a sensible rate with sensible semantics. Dealing with Claude going into stupid mode 15 times a day, constant HTTP errors, etc. just isn't really worth it for all it does. I can't see myself…

Please don't use grossly offensive terms in this forum. That sort of language is not welcome here.

Oops, fixed

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by verdverm »

nightski wrote: post #94
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #73

There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Clau…

It's fine, their moat is thin. Frontier models as a service isn't really in the best interest of anyone anyways. Only a matter of time.

I agree, eventually the open models will be good enough and we can pay for our own infra and cut out the middle man. Also, the smaller frontier are nearly as good today and I expect the mega models will be used primarily for distillation

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by janalsncm »

I got fed up with Claude code limits and have been using a combination of qwen3-coder, gemma4, and qwen3-vl locally. Gets me 90% of the way there and CC is still around for now if I need it.

Btw even at insane markups $200/mo means GPUs break even pretty fast.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by groby_b »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #110
charcircuit wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can set the monthly extra usage cap to $1000 or something to cap how much it can cost per month. https://support.claude.com/en/articles/12429409-manage-extra...

That's a had sell to a finance team.

Then maybe it's not worth using Claude Code that much.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

tekacs wrote: post #130
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Oh, give me a break. I know the law around this incredibly well. Then don’t make BS up like implying Anthropic is a monopolist for the crime of competence. > tell me you don't understand how a small quantitative gap can result in a step change in capability The law does not give a darn about this. Being a good competitive option does not make you a league of your own. If I invent a new flavor of shake, the Emerald…

You do realize that I called out in my post they are absolutely not a monopoly by the law, right? I know all-too-well what the definition is. We have a similar situation in mobile where Apple may not be considered a monopoly, but people have walked around for a decade with a supercomputer in their pocket that is wildly underused. Things have gotten faster; things are different than they were decades ago when a lot of…

> “we are self-preferencing, and the FTC should really take a look at us, even if we're technically not a monopoly right now”

That is not calling out that they are “absolutely not a monopoly by the law” in any way, shape, or form. You’re framing it as though they aren’t by a technicality, when they aren’t anywhere near discussion by even the most extreme of legal theories. You won’t find Lina Khan or Margarethe Vestager, both ousted for going too far, complaining about Anthropic.

> “We have a similar situation in mobile where Apple may not be considered a monopoly, but people have walked around for a decade with a supercomputer in their pocket that is wildly underused.”

In that we can’t run a Torrent client to download illegally redistributed media 99% of the time? Otherwise, in what way, are they underused? For the degrees of public addiction, a more underutilized phone would be a social benefit.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by rvz »

raincole wrote: post #105
asgraham wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you arguing that eventually a competitor will emerge that does support OpenClaw with a subscription model? Wouldn’t that just be more expensive for the exact same reason Anthropic is banning it?

You mean whether another competitor will emerge? Right now we have OpenAI.

The real threat that Anthropic sees as real competitors in the long term, are the AI labs building open weight models, especially the AI labs in China.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by girvo »

saltyoldman wrote: post #37

Is anyone even getting anything out of a $20/mo sub for Anthropic? I'm doing a side-by-side with GPT-5.4 for $20/mo and Sonnet for $20/mo and I can tell you that all my 5 hour tokens are eaten in 30 minutes with Claude. I still haven't used my tokens for OpenAI. Code quality seems fine on both. Building an app in Go

I used to, but not anymore. Now I can somehow burn my _entire_ limit with a single prompt, maybe two. It's ridiculous, I've changed nothing about how I do things.

Only thing now is that the cheaper (worse) chinese model coding plans have huge limits, so I lean on those now. Requires a lot more hand-holding though.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by verdverm »

tekacs wrote: post #107
asgraham wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you arguing that eventually a competitor will emerge that does support OpenClaw with a subscription model? Wouldn’t that just be more expensive for the exact same reason Anthropic is banning it?

OpenAI have literally gone out of their way to explicitly support this sort of thing. As they did with OpenCode. Honestly, this just looks like what Dylan of SemiAnalysis suggested on Dwarkesh – that they've massively under-provisioned capacity / under-spent on infrastructure. That would honestly be a comforting answer if true, because I would gladly take 'we can't afford to do this right now' over 'we are self-prefe…

OpenAi is burning cash to stay relevant aiui, i.e. they will keep subsidizing

You can use these tools with most providers today, just no subscription plan. If you have enough spend, you can likely get bulk deals

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by danpalmer »

entropoem wrote: post #123

Anthropic and OpenAI are the clearest examples of why, in an organization of specialists, the experts themselves should not be the CEO or the final decision-maker once the company’s challenges extend beyond just the product. Just look at how Sam Altman has led OpenAI step by step to dominate—and choke out—Anthropic, a company founded by the group of engineers who were once part of the turmoil at OpenAI. Anthorpic's p…

An interesting... weird(?), take. I see Anthropic as being mostly a much more compelling option. They've avoided most negative backlash, they have a much higher percentage of paying users, plenty of enterprise contracts, etc. They avoided money pits like Sora.

OpenAI seems to mostly be chasing the consumer market, but not doing great at it.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by benn67 »

Zopieux wrote: post #99
benn67 wrote: post #71

Haha, I almost expected this. Say goodbye to my 600$/ month Anthropic.

There's no way in hell this amount of tokens is reasonable for anything or worth it

I have 2 max 20x subscriptions. So not API tokens.

I do a lotta stuff don’t need to get into it here.

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