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F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by thisislife2 »

schappim wrote: post #467
bijowo1676 wrote: post #357

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a single AN/FPS-132 radar costs $1.1 bln, not $500m. And Iran stuck 17 of the CENCCOM sites hosting radars of all kinds across Qarar, Bahrain, Iraq, UAE, Saudi, Jordan, Israel, etc). Total cost is so much bigger, it is staggering. The whole CENTCOM is blind basically, as well as Iron Dome which relied on these radars - all blind now, in addition to long-range early nuke detection to protect CONUS is also blind. in ad…

> Iron Dome relied on these radars — all blind now. Iron Dome’s primary fire-control radar is the Israeli EL/M-2084 Multi-Mission Radar, not the USA’s AN/FPS-132

I've read that NATO radars in Turkey were equally important to provide early warning to Israel. It's not far-fetched to assume that US radars in the middle-east did too. US THAAD in Israel would definitely be networked into those.

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Post by benjiro3000 »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #478
gpderetta wrote: post #206

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What are A-10s doing there? There isn't yet any ground operation, right?

Cheaper to operate than any fighter, longer endurance, good for patrolling over the Strait. Filling the gap between helicopters and fighters with a big, but cheap cannon.

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Post by HaloZero »

ttul wrote: post #339
rurp wrote: post #307

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On top of these cases there is all of the aircraft that has been destroyed while grounded. The high tech AWACS getting blown up was a big hit, among others. The losses are likely much worse than we know since the military has been trying to keep a lid on most of them.

Not to mention the multiple THAAD radars taken offline. Those are $500M assets - and only 8 exist in the world. 24,000 precise transceivers all liquid cooled… not available on Amazon for next day deliver either.

I thought all the US ones existed in US states/territories? The ones in the middle east could be potentially destroyed true though.

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Post by shevy-java »

miketery wrote: post #602
eek2121 wrote: post #579

I see a ton of bickering, however, I simply have to ask the question: how can anyone justify the United States of America and Israel attacking ANY country? It isn't our job, nor is it Israel's, to try and be the world police. People are dying, and because of a certain corpse-to-be controlling MY country, the world is beginning to suffer and it is going to get so much worse. Some economists are saying gas rationing wi…

This is the flag of the Houthis [1], they are sponsored by Iran, as are the likes of Hezbollah, and Hamas. They have similar language in their charters. How is that not casus belli? 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarkha

Why would that be any casus belli?

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #398
varispeed wrote: post #354

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If everyone is somewhat implicated in Epstein files, then everyone is afraid of Putin / Netanyahu who might pull up the files. It's funny how they are so scared to face justice, but also interesting how American law enforcement became so corrupt. Protecting pedos on such a scale?

There's a very strange problem with this whole thing where, of course, whatever these powerful people have done behind closed doors that is illegal and exploitative and harmful is terrible and they should be put to justice. However, if the direction of the country is being seriously altered via blackmail, IMO that is many orders of magnitude worse than anything they could have done. Like we are currently bombing yet…

If their actions have made this level of blackmail possible, then said actions are the worse thing because that's what made this scale of blackmail possible.

Their actions are the foundation for everything that came after.

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Post by jjk166 »

malfist wrote: post #335
edaemon wrote: post #271

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Their point is that the NYT says it crashed, the cause isn't clear.

Do A-10's normally crash? Or is there reason to believe that an A-10 flying in hostile territory was downed because it was shot?

122 A-10s have been lost outside of combat over the years. 8 have been lost in combat.

Lots of flights, maintenance resources stretched thin, old aircraft - this is when you'd expect to see crashes.

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Post by shevy-java »

hereme888 wrote: post #596
eek2121 wrote: post #579

I see a ton of bickering, however, I simply have to ask the question: how can anyone justify the United States of America and Israel attacking ANY country? It isn't our job, nor is it Israel's, to try and be the world police. People are dying, and because of a certain corpse-to-be controlling MY country, the world is beginning to suffer and it is going to get so much worse. Some economists are saying gas rationing wi…

Clueless? Iran has been attacking many countries, including US and Israel, for 47 years. It's not a secret.

It is pretty obvious that the current war was started by Israel and USA.

I somewhat understand Israel's agenda and objective, even if evil and selfish depending on the point of view (or selfish, for Netanyahu to avoid legal scrutiny while acting as prime minister).

I don't understand the USA attacking here at all. With rising prices I think Trump should pay compensation to the rest of the world for his decision here. This is now similar to the build-up to Vietnam though - I don't see Trump being able to withdraw, without looking incompetent, so he is now committed to the war, similar to why Putin can not stop his invasion of Ukraine. Two criminals, one thought.

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Post by miketery »

shevy-java wrote: post #614
miketery wrote: post #602

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This is the flag of the Houthis [1], they are sponsored by Iran, as are the likes of Hezbollah, and Hamas. They have similar language in their charters. How is that not casus belli? 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarkha

Why would that be any casus belli?

Do you think threats and missiles from an adversary are insufficient cause for war?

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Post by mhb »

shevy-java wrote: post #617
hereme888 wrote: post #596

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Clueless? Iran has been attacking many countries, including US and Israel, for 47 years. It's not a secret.

It is pretty obvious that the current war was started by Israel and USA. I somewhat understand Israel's agenda and objective, even if evil and selfish depending on the point of view (or selfish, for Netanyahu to avoid legal scrutiny while acting as prime minister). I don't understand the USA attacking here at all. With rising prices I think Trump should pay compensation to the rest of the world for his decision here.…

It is not obvious at all unless you don't understand Iran's objectives and its attacks on Israel (a country over 1,000 miles away) for the past several decades.

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Post by UncleOxidant »

mhb wrote: post #610
UncleOxidant wrote: post #599

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Saying "Death to America" doesn't give us the right to bomb them. They've been saying that for a long time now and yet haven't posed serious threat to the US mainland. Trump says a lot of crazy shit as well, would that give other countries the right to bomb the US?

Don't be intentionally obtuse. They've been saying this for over four decades and have spent at least tens of billions of dollars in their quest to make it happen. Besides attacking Israel.

Saying things and even spending to try to make it happen doesn't mean they were even close to being able to actually do it. Under Obama we had an agreement which had rigorous inspection details to prevent them developing nuclear weapons. Trump tore that all up in his first term.
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