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F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by solid_fuel »

karp773 wrote: post #57
karp773 wrote: post #46

Why didn't Iran use its capability to take down enemy jets for an entire month?

Downvoters, care to explain? Seriously, it's been sitting on this for entire month and now, all of a sudden, rolled out antiaircraft defense? What's going on?

If you want a real explanation, this is how defensive wars against an overwhelming opponent are fought. Iran knows that they can't build an iron-clad air defense perimeter, there still isn't a reliable answer against stealth aircraft and cruise missiles. They never had a chance of shooting down every plane that enters their airspace, and that isn't their goal.

Instead, they will fight this war by absorbing blow after blow, hiding their capabilities and striking back when it is advantageous.

All Iran needs to do to win is:

1) Outlast the US air campaign - note this only requires protecting enough of their defensive capabilities to remain difficult. It does not require shooting down every US aircraft that enters their borders. It does not require shooting down most aircraft that enter their borders.

2) Prevent free shipping in the Strait of Hormuz.

That's it. They just need to apply economic pain as domestic and international opposition to the unprovoked attack grows.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

ok_dad wrote: post #312
asdff wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the source below is correct, the commander of the Dena ordered his troops to stay on the ship despite the warnings, there was a bit of a mutiny and the survivors are those who rejected those orders and jumped off. https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603071125

OK if I come to your car, declare you’re my enemy, and tell you to get out before I toss a Molotov at you, does that mean I can’t be tried for murder later if you refuse? This was a sneak attack outside of an established war zone, for an illegal war, so don’t try to conflate this as an attack on America’s enemies. The USA made them their enemies themselves.

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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by GolfPopper »

rustyhancock wrote: post #330
YZF wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the reliability of this reporting? What we can tell though is that Iran is still firing missiles (including cluster munitions) at Israel's civilians and at gulf states. So the ground facts are that it can still do that. We also have to remember that Iran has a large number of different missile systems for different ranges. It's mostly not the same missiles they are firing at the nearby gulf states as they are…

I don't think we'll see anything close to reliable reporting any time soon. The story of whether Iran had a nuclear program has been reported every which way but loose for the past 6 months. By the time Trump started pushing that they were close to a nuke again, those that claimed he was wrong 6 months ago and the nuclear program was intact. Had started claiming it was in fact destroyed. Gosh that sentence is hard en…

"Iran will have a nuclear weapon real soon!" is a claim that has been pushed, particularly by Benjamin Netanyahu for thirty years.

https://www.news18.com/world/weeks-away-by-next-spring-video...

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by throwaway27448 »

dmix wrote: post #52
npn wrote: post #38

the last time US wanted some country to reset back to Stone Age the same thing happened. turn out those aircrafts are not undefeatable at all.

It's pretty normal for planes to go down in a war. They've flown 5000+ sorties, it's a pretty huge accomplishment this is the first one lost over Iran. Especially considering all of the last decade's speculation about how tough attacking Iran would be. You'll never be able to fully suppress all of their manpads. Even if you destroy the bulk of their air defence network.

Most of those sorties haven't been in Iranian air space. That's the entire point of standoff munitions.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by downrightmike »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #359
kackerlacker wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly the situation I think of when I hear news of rescue missions. Running a rescue in a place with functional air defense is a recursive rescue problem that could quickly get out of control.

Exactly what happens to me in Kerbel Space Program. Rescue team for the rescue team.

Slaps car, thsi baby can fit soo many rescue teams in it

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by hdgvhicv »

rootusrootus wrote: post #432
nielsbot wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plot twist: The Dem leadership (Schumer, Jeffries, et al) also supports this. That's why their main complaints have been procedural: "Why didn't you come to us first with your plans?". And why they slow-walked the vote on a war powers act.

The dems have no power against a unified GOP front, and they already look pretty weak on issues like this. They are trying to figure out how they can mollify their base while attracting enough centrist voters to retake Congress later this year. I don't care for the dem leadership but I feel a little sympathy for them. Catering to their loudest supporters is a pretty big reason they are the minority party right now.

Where trumps Republican Party have spent the last 10 years not catering from their loudest supporters?

Either the majority of Americans want this war, in which case the Dems have to be quiet, or they don’t, in which case the dems should be making it the number one issue.

Sadly I suspect the answer is not in the side of the Hollywood version of post ww2 America.

Now is the time to insert the “are we the bad guys” meme.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by machomaster »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #481
buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #248

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Seriously. Makes me glad we attacked when we did. They could have bolstered their anti air defenses even more.

Are these bots or do americans really live in this whole other world?

Or maybe you didn't understand a clear sarcasm?
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