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F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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post #64

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No, we actually train to be tortured and held if caught, but everyone knows the risks before you take off. Captured marines or soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, we’re clear eyed about it.

And lied to about the reasons of the war. Now they even lie about it being a war, while they claim they have already won the war, that isn’t a war.

... But conducted by the self proclaimed Department of War.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

#72
post #36

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That is assuming Iran holds itself to the Geneva conventions, which ... seems like an extremely risky bet to make.

The US doesn't hold itself to the conventions, why should the country it started a war of aggression with?

If you throw away your principles because you are fighting an unprincipled enemy, you are no better than them.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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post #36

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That is assuming Iran holds itself to the Geneva conventions, which ... seems like an extremely risky bet to make.

Prisoner exchanges are a pretty strong motivator for any group, even hardline ones. If the Taliban was up for exchanges I think the IRGC is pretty likely to want to keep prisoners for that too.

Does the US have any prisoners to exchange? Wouldn't we need boots-on-the-ground to capture enemy combatants?

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

#74
post #72

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The US doesn't hold itself to the conventions, why should the country it started a war of aggression with?

If you throw away your principles because you are fighting an unprincipled enemy, you are no better than them.

There is no if. We've already done that. So yes, we are no better than them. So answer the question. Why would Iran follow conventions it's enemy that started a war of aggression is not following?

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, we actually train to be tortured and held if caught, but everyone knows the risks before you take off. Captured marines or soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, we’re clear eyed about it.

And lied to about the reasons of the war. Now they even lie about it being a war, while they claim they have already won the war, that isn’t a war.

Every war since Korea, we’re very used to this.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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post #35

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> equipped with some truly obsolete technology aboard. So I guess the US won't have any issues replacing it at a cheaper cost (as far as I understood that one cost $500 million, give or take).

The prototype E-7 cost $2 billion. It's a 737 with some radios.

"On 22 March 2019, the UK Defence Secretary announced a $1.98 billion contract to purchase five Boeing E-7 Wedgetails"

Prototype price isn't really that meaningful

(Also it's a 767 not a 737, that was the E-3 I think.)

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

#77
post #27

Military aviators train for this, being alone behind enemy lines (look up SERE school if you’re curious, one of the craziest training courses outside of special forces) and there is a special force just for aviator recovery behind enemy lines, US AirForce Pararescue. Hopefully they’ll get the aviators back quickly, the last thing our country needs is American hostages making this ridiculous war harder to stop.

Prisoner of war, not hostage. edit: I'm baffled by the amount of downvotes pointing out the objectively correct terminology can get. Its not a matter of opinion, military personnel captured by the enemy are pow no matter their treatment. A hostage, by definition, has been abducted.

It’s a “well, actually” and counter to the HN guidelines

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

#78
post #59

I hope the aviators are OK, and also hope whoever they were bombing are also OK. I do wonder if Iran finds them first, will they treat them better than the US treated survivors of the ship sunk by a US torpedo in the Indiana Ocean?

You left out 'unarmed'.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

#79
post #57

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Downvoters, care to explain? Seriously, it's been sitting on this for entire month and now, all of a sudden, rolled out antiaircraft defense? What's going on?

Because it obviously doesn't have the capability. Similar to how the US has no capability to "win" from the air only.

Maybe it was friendly fire but I did not see that in the news yet.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Military aviators train for this, being alone behind enemy lines (look up SERE school if you’re curious, one of the craziest training courses outside of special forces) and there is a special force just for aviator recovery behind enemy lines, US AirForce Pararescue. Hopefully they’ll get the aviators back quickly, the last thing our country needs is American hostages making this ridiculous war harder to stop.

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