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F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by tenthirtyam »

spwa4 wrote: post #36
tokai wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prisoner of war, not hostage. edit: I'm baffled by the amount of downvotes pointing out the objectively correct terminology can get. Its not a matter of opinion, military personnel captured by the enemy are pow no matter their treatment. A hostage, by definition, has been abducted.

That is assuming Iran holds itself to the Geneva conventions, which ... seems like an extremely risky bet to make.

They're going back to the stone age, remember? The Geneva convention wasn't around then AFAICR.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by eqvinox »

Telemakhos wrote: post #33
jeffbee wrote: post #19

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When the first-tier hostile leadership structure was eliminated in the first day of the war, and only after a month do the surviving enemies finally manage to damage a plane so severely that it can't return to a friendly base to land, is "quite useless" an adequate and accurate description of the technology used to prosecute that war?

Whether you have specific leadership or not doesn't matter much to (a) having to adapt to the enemy and learn what works, and (b) probability just doing its thing, more chances and so on, and (c) US leadership descending the oceans of stupidity all the way to the Mariana trench.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by rbanffy »

spwa4 wrote: post #36
tokai wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prisoner of war, not hostage. edit: I'm baffled by the amount of downvotes pointing out the objectively correct terminology can get. Its not a matter of opinion, military personnel captured by the enemy are pow no matter their treatment. A hostage, by definition, has been abducted.

That is assuming Iran holds itself to the Geneva conventions, which ... seems like an extremely risky bet to make.

Hegseth explicitly ordered to give the enemy “no quarter”.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by croes »

MarkMarine wrote: post #58
lokar wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they train for a “no quarter“ conflict where injured or surrendered combatants are killed?

No, we actually train to be tortured and held if caught, but everyone knows the risks before you take off. Captured marines or soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, we’re clear eyed about it.

And lied to about the reasons of the war.

Now they even lie about it being a war, while they claim they have already won the war, that isn’t a war.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by webstrand »

ModernMech wrote: post #32
jeffbee wrote: post #19

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It reminds me of a Age of Empires campaign I played at a LAN from a long while back, where the game went on for 20 hours and ended in a stalemate between an atomic age player and a very primitive age player. The atomic player had total control of the map, they were carpet bombing the entire thing with nuclear weapons. But they could only create them so fast while the primitive player was running around on horses, jus…

Ah, you mean Empire Earth. I loved that game, it had a great soundtrack.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by n2j3 »

spwa4 wrote: post #36
tokai wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prisoner of war, not hostage. edit: I'm baffled by the amount of downvotes pointing out the objectively correct terminology can get. Its not a matter of opinion, military personnel captured by the enemy are pow no matter their treatment. A hostage, by definition, has been abducted.

That is assuming Iran holds itself to the Geneva conventions, which ... seems like an extremely risky bet to make.

We are expecting Iran to honour an International Convention when US and Israel have squarely shat on every convention's face, so to speak.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by eqvinox »

probably_wrong wrote: post #53
ModernMech wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It reminds me of a Age of Empires campaign I played at a LAN from a long while back, where the game went on for 20 hours and ended in a stalemate between an atomic age player and a very primitive age player. The atomic player had total control of the map, they were carpet bombing the entire thing with nuclear weapons. But they could only create them so fast while the primitive player was running around on horses, jus…

I don't remember Age of Empires having an atomic age?

It was probably Rise of Nations or one of the other similar games.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by [deleted] »

ModernMech wrote: post #32
jeffbee wrote: post #19

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It reminds me of a Age of Empires campaign I played at a LAN from a long while back, where the game went on for 20 hours and ended in a stalemate between an atomic age player and a very primitive age player. The atomic player had total control of the map, they were carpet bombing the entire thing with nuclear weapons. But they could only create them so fast while the primitive player was running around on horses, jus…

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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by shigawire »

karp773 wrote: post #57
karp773 wrote: post #46

Why didn't Iran use its capability to take down enemy jets for an entire month?

Downvoters, care to explain? Seriously, it's been sitting on this for entire month and now, all of a sudden, rolled out antiaircraft defense? What's going on?

Because it obviously doesn't have the capability. Similar to how the US has no capability to "win" from the air only.
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