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Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by syntaxpr »

stackskipton wrote: post #41

Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

Neither outlook nor thunderbird. Best option would be some web browser based email + local web server (on board)

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by mmooss »

stackskipton wrote: post #41

Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

> Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies

With local cache for an Exchange server, or with purely local mail (i.e., using .pst files). The latter is mediocre IME. Outlook is an Exchange client; other uses are not in its wheelhouse.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by voxleone »

xg15 wrote: post #151

Moon landing 1969: 4 KB RAM for the guidance computer is enough. Moon landing 2026: Two instances of MS Outlook sort of started themselves on the guidance computer and we have no idea why.

We went from NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory’s Power of Ten rules to ‘have you tried restarting Microsoft Outlook?’

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_10:_Rules_for_Dev...

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by flysand7 »

doug_durham wrote: post #169
ertian wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1969: Every line of assembly code has been coded according to rigorous standards and vetted and reviewed by a panel of experts. 2026: lol we just realized there's a few million lines of extra code running but we can't figure out why

1969: Every bit of every line of assembly manually woven into core rope memory by highly skilled technicians. 2026: We filled up our 2 TB flash. How do we get another?

1969: Our toilets suck, better be miticulous and careful with waste

2026: Too much shit, we need to design new toilets

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by mmooss »

kube-system wrote: post #144
liendolucas wrote: post #39

Is this actually true? What's next? A BSOD? I would have ever ever in my life bet that Microsoft software could be shipped in a spacecraft carrying human beings. Unbeliveable.

You're a couple decades behind the news. Basically every version of Windows since 95 has been on spacecraft carrying humans. The ISS notoriously migrated to Linux after a virus spread across their Windows XP systems. But these things aren't running the guidance computers -- they're laptops.

Laptops have built-in battery backup lasting hours.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by BuyMyBitcoins »

whalesalad wrote: post #176
xg15 wrote: post #151

Moon landing 1969: 4 KB RAM for the guidance computer is enough. Moon landing 2026: Two instances of MS Outlook sort of started themselves on the guidance computer and we have no idea why.

Genuinely shocking that the guidance computer would be running Windows at all. "... preparing for re-entry, adjusting azimuth, ... APPLY UPDATES AND REBOOT? APPLY UPDATES AND SHUT DOWN? QUEEN? UPDATES?"

Microsoft said something about a Copilot…

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Post by bombcar »

cj wrote: post #134
EvanAnderson wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why people are surprised by this. Using suitable off-the-shelf solutions for non-mission-critical purposes seems like a very reasonable thing to do. I'm recalling this from my memory of "The Space Above Us" podcast: There were various bespoke teleprinters sent up on early shuttle flights that had exciting failure modes (if I remember correctly one of them started smoking) and in at least a couple of case…

Related thread from 2023 about the US Navy using Xbox 360 controllers instead of custom built hardware. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36408604

Xbox 360 controller: Good times! US Navy approved.

Madcatz controller: Bad times! OceanGate approved.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by bombcar »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #167
EvanAnderson wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why people are surprised by this. Using suitable off-the-shelf solutions for non-mission-critical purposes seems like a very reasonable thing to do. I'm recalling this from my memory of "The Space Above Us" podcast: There were various bespoke teleprinters sent up on early shuttle flights that had exciting failure modes (if I remember correctly one of them started smoking) and in at least a couple of case…

I’m surprised they went with outlook rather than something like thunderbird. And I’m surprised they are burning power on an os that can run outlook.

A Macbook Neo can run outlook just fine and pulls what, 20 watts?

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by bombcar »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #168
leptons wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I quit Outlook and went to Thunderbird when I upgraded my CPU and Microsoft told me I had to re-purchase Outlook when I had paid for a "lifetime license". That was the last straw for me. I installed Linux and Thunderbird and have not looked back at Windows.

Obligatory Linux comment when speaking about Microsoft, windows or anything related. I don't have Linux but you guys make it hard to like it.

I run Outlook in Wine or on the Web on Linux in a VM on Mac and make everyone mad.
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