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Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by ricardobeat »

jayofdoom wrote: post #131
sombragris wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. Claws-mail ( https://claws-mail.org ) has a good working Windows version. Native desktop app, lightweight, extremely fast, able to handle multigigabyte inboxes for breakfast. The only drawback for some would be that it does not compos…

I used this for a while. It doesn't display HTML emails just fine. It only supports a subset of stuff which -- as a geek is awesome because it protects me -- but would be hideous to give to a normal user. Literally less than half of my emails were readable.

Hopefully they are not getting exquisitely crafted newsletters in space.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by hatthew »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #166
HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd ask the opposite question. Why would they not use Outlook and instead use something like Alpine or Mutt? This is 2026, you know.

Is this incident not reason enough? Astronauts in space are needing remote support to debug it, and taking up priceless mission time.

Sure, but bespoke software isn't necessarily going to be more reliable.

https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-...

> The idea that new code is better than old is patently absurd. Old code has been used. It has been tested. Lots of bugs have been found, and they’ve been fixed.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by sheepscreek »

xg15 wrote: post #151

Moon landing 1969: 4 KB RAM for the guidance computer is enough. Moon landing 2026: Two instances of MS Outlook sort of started themselves on the guidance computer and we have no idea why.

…and we managed to do this without AI!

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by scorpionfeet »

xg15 wrote: post #151

Moon landing 1969: 4 KB RAM for the guidance computer is enough. Moon landing 2026: Two instances of MS Outlook sort of started themselves on the guidance computer and we have no idea why.

Can you instead compare the mission critical code of Artemis instead of the email client?

How many KB is the flight controller?

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by ricardobeat »

Thlom wrote: post #143
EvanAnderson wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That wouldn't be terrible to use. I feel like I've done worse supporting in-cab computers on fleet vehicles across 3G cellular. Keyboard shortcuts and "caching" the state of the remote client in your mind are the keys to doing that work.

Low bandwidth is a bigger problem than high latency. If it takes half a second or even a second for your clicks to register it's not a big deal, you learn to work around it. But if the bandwidth is so low that it takes 5-10 seconds just to write the screen it really sucks.

I don’t know if this craft has it, but they’ve been announcing all over that we’ll get 4K over a 260mbps link from the moon, so that shouldn’t be a problem

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by whalesalad »

xg15 wrote: post #151

Moon landing 1969: 4 KB RAM for the guidance computer is enough. Moon landing 2026: Two instances of MS Outlook sort of started themselves on the guidance computer and we have no idea why.

Genuinely shocking that the guidance computer would be running Windows at all.

"... preparing for re-entry, adjusting azimuth, ... APPLY UPDATES AND REBOOT? APPLY UPDATES AND SHUT DOWN? QUEEN? UPDATES?"

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by babypuncher »

joe_mamba wrote: post #34
babypuncher wrote: post #30

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The culture is correct, the new version of Outlook is hot garbage

Which "new" Outlook? I think there's like 3 versions of Outlook currently on the market. The Classic Win32 one they want you to stop using, the new Lite variant bundled for free with Windows 11, and the new Full Spec one that comes with Office 365, both of which are built on web technologies IIRC.

That one that comes with office 365. My work PC got auto updated with it and I switched back to the Win32 version within an hour because it was buggy and a huge resource hog. It's just an email client and calendar, there's no need to keep reinventing the wheel, especially if you're just gonna make it worse.

The macOS version still has all of them beat.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by SamBam »

hatthew wrote: post #172
irthomasthomas wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this incident not reason enough? Astronauts in space are needing remote support to debug it, and taking up priceless mission time.

Sure, but bespoke software isn't necessarily going to be more reliable. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-... > The idea that new code is better than old is patently absurd. Old code has been used. It has been tested. Lots of bugs have been found, and they’ve been fixed.

Alpine and Mutt are about 20 and 30 years old, respectively.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by krisoft »

liendolucas wrote: post #39

Is this actually true? What's next? A BSOD? I would have ever ever in my life bet that Microsoft software could be shipped in a spacecraft carrying human beings. Unbeliveable.

> I would have ever ever in my life bet that Microsoft software could be shipped in a spacecraft carrying human beings.

Do you also worry when you are flying on an airplane where some other passengers carry a laptop running windows? Just because it is a computer and it is on a spacecraft doesnt mean it will harm human beings if it goes down.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by zephen »

geoduck14 wrote: post #160
EvanAnderson wrote: post #54

This talk about off-the-shelf hardware in space makes me wonder, given the clear line of sight, if it would be possible to detect their Wi-Fi access points' beacons from Earth. I'm not a "radio guy" and don't know if this would be impossible, simply on the basis of physics, due to the presumably low radiated power from the APs and the limitations of the size of typical antennas on the ground. (Obviously it's possible…

Ham radio enthusiasts might be able to help you out here. Hams already talk to the ISS on the 144-148 MHz band (which is close to the FM radio in your car). They have about a 15 minute window to talk to the ISS. They have a 90 minute orbit, too, so I would bet similar window to talk as Artemis II. The ISS is much closer to the earth than Artemis. Quick google tells me the Artemis is 184 times the distance as the ISS…

> I bet you could interfere with their wifi

Seems unlikely. Even at perigee, a long boom YAGI 20 degree spread would be ca. 40 km wide. Mind you, the signal would still be 5 million times stronger than when Artemis II is close to the moon.

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