My guess is Sam Altman is a better VC than CEO. Better at hype, networking, fund raising, and back room political hijinks than shipping a focused product He seems to be trying to take almost a "venture studio" approach by throwing shit at the wall, but the problem with these things is always that the "internal startups" are "founded" by people who don't have enough incentive or control over their product to perform a…
The OpenAI graveyard: All the deals and products that haven't happened
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#142This is important context in the wake of yesterday’s “raise” announcement. A lot of this stuff seems to just quietly never happen once the ink on the PR puff dries. The AI industry increasingly looks in scramble mode to keep the hype going as those storm clouds of financial and business reality get darker and darker on the horizon.
For a company bringing a new technology from zero to mainstream, I think it's pretty normal that there will be a lot of failed attempts at productization. The thing that isn't normal is the degree of experimentation relative to company valuation. Normally once a company reaches $700 B+ valuation, they've figured out their product and monetization strategy. ChatGPT is clearly still iterating heavily on that - not norm…
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#143Lots of critiques here! Something missing in this discussion is people asking _why_ it is that they're doing this. The people who work there aren't stupid! I think this is a disconnect between people who think that large companies are static entities with established products vs. large companies that still operate like a startup and are trying to grow. When you're building your business from $0 in revenue, you don't…
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#145What they really should focus on is making those models more efficient. With them most likely losing money on inference (+model training + salaries + building data centers), I can't see why they would want more compute and more products, since more tokens spent is actually bad for them.
Making existing models more efficient won't make them God in a Box.
If anything 4.5 being abandoned so they could sell India a $3 a month subscription was the first crack in The Box
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks for the in depth explanation. I was definitely not up on my tech history here. :)
Sorry, I forgot that for many engineers this is, in fact, their first time going through a technology cycle like this, and so would need more explanation. I am too young for Visicalc myself, but the cycle that I saw while I was in high school- the dot-com bubble- doesn't have convenient, easy to mark out dates like the PC does. Thinking... Thinking... Tim Berners-Lee proposing HTTP in 1989 is kinda like the original…
This is really the first meteoric rise in tech I've seen / am experiencing first hand.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
Making existing models more efficient won't make them God in a Box.
Except they already did this: if they had scaled 4.5 with RL, 5 would probably have been the leap we expected If anything 4.5 being abandoned so they could sell India a $3 a month subscription was the first crack in The Box
If anything it should have been no1 in the "openAI graveyard" website.
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I find searching chatgpt.com and asking for sources, then visiting them, works much better than Google to find niche topics
Every year I ask the latest version of Chat GPT a basic facts question about rugby results. It almost always gets it wrong - even when it does web search and cites sources. Wrong scores, hallucinated matches, wrong locations - just gob smacking amounts of wrongness. The latest "Thinking" version gets it reliably right but spent about 3 minutes coming up with the answer that 10 seconds of googling answers. So I don't…
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Anthropic does look healthier, with their enterprise focus. Or am I missing something?
Holy f'n Hell, there's such a blatant bias on HackerNews in favor of Anthropic and against OpenAI. I'm just a user, and in my experience Claude has been consistently crap compared to ChatGPT/Codex. I use both side-by-side, and have paid for a ChatGPT subscription every month for around 1 year, but only 2 months for Claude; once last year, and again since last month. Everything from the sign up, the sign in, the payme…
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry, I forgot that for many engineers this is, in fact, their first time going through a technology cycle like this, and so would need more explanation. I am too young for Visicalc myself, but the cycle that I saw while I was in high school- the dot-com bubble- doesn't have convenient, easy to mark out dates like the PC does. Thinking... Thinking... Tim Berners-Lee proposing HTTP in 1989 is kinda like the original…
Yeah I started programming in 2006 as a kid and then entered professional work in 2016 I guess as still a kid depending on your perspective :P This is really the first meteoric rise in tech I've seen / am experiencing first hand.