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EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by echelon »

kemayo wrote: post #31
echelon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All PHP is going to be replaced with single binary Rust apps. Talented teams will build the atoms for most apps - blogs, CMSes, ticket systems, forums - and it'll be easy for end users to configure. Rust is easy to code gen and deploy now. No barrier to understanding lifetimes. It's the language everyone should be using Claude Code to emit. Everyone is now a Rust engineer with 10 years of experience. (I'm not joking,…

I'm not sure you appreciate why PHP was successful. You might be completely right about all this, but the LAMP-stack "just upload this file to shared hosting" workflow is what made apps like WordPress win out, and the barrier remains significantly higher to do the equivalent with Rust.

Historically successful.

Draging a bunch of PHP files onto an FTP client is harder than modern dev practices.

If you've got a modern frontend of any kind, you're already beyond this.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by 9dev »

TheTaytay wrote: post #155

It looks like I'm in the minority after reading this comments, but I'm quite happy to see this announcement. A "good" standard, free CMS with theming and plugin support without the issues of Wordpress is _welcome_. (And the issues are many: Licensing, trust, drama, security, and cost). I'm guessing that a lot of cynicism here is coming from this crowd not being the target market of Wordpress in the first place? What…

There are great standard CMSes that do everything technically better than Wordpress (not that it's harder to jump higher than a rock, but hey). That's not the hard part. Every developer should build a good CMS once.

The hard part is displacing Wordpress market share; building a community of bloggers, marketeers, agencies, web designers, and so on; creating a huge ecosystem of paid and free plugins, allowing plugin devs to commit to your marketplace and lock customers in.

Wordpress is awful. The only thing it's got going is its moat, but that's not an engineering problem, but a people problem instead.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by alsetmusic »

reaperducer wrote: post #149
alsetmusic wrote: post #117

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I hated that shit. I'd load Slashdot and there was no real content or it was difficult to find real news amongst all the crap. It's not funny. It's annoying.

I feel bad for you. That's a lot of anger over virtually nothing.

Would you be annoyed if HN went offline just for the hell of it for a day every year?

But you're right, I was an extremely angry person back then. Many years of therapy and deliberate ongoing work and I'm a radically different man. Thank goodness I got to the other side.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by sph »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #176
andoando wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agent coded != vibe coded. I don't write code manually anymore, but Im still getting the exact code output that I want.

It's a tough pill for some HNers to swallow, but with a good process, you can vibe-code really good software, and software far more tested, edge-cased, and thoughtful than you would have come up with, especially for software that isn't that one hobby passion project that you love thinking about.

Produce this "far more tested, edge-cased, and thoughtful" vibe-coded software for us to judge, please.

All I hear are empty promises of better software, and in the same breath the declaration that quality is overrated and time-to-ship is why vibecoding will eventually win. It's either one, or the other.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by wmf »

FlamingMoe wrote: post #86

A WordPress spiritual successor backed by Cloudflare sounds great in theory, but the headline feature, plugin isolation via Dynamic Workers, only works on Cloudflare's runtime. On any other host it's just a TypeScript CMS without the security model that justifies its existence. Open source but architecturally locked in.

Maybe other runtimes should copy dynamic workers.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

kbdot wrote: post #49
8organicbits wrote: post #27

I don't think it's the code that makes WordPress valuable. I've been learning WordPress recently and haven't been too impressed with the internals. WordPress is valuable because of the ecosystem and support. I have no doubt that WordPress will still be a thing in ten years. What's the support plan for EmDash? I see commits are mostly from a single developer. E: Oh, I think it's an April fools joke, I'm embarrassed. E…

Cloudflare doesn't do April fools jokes. In fact, 1.1.1.1 was released on April 1st back in 2018 and now it's one of the most used DNS service in the world.

8 years later and now I'm getting the 4 1's joke.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by ymolodtsov »

embedding-shape wrote: post #7

> Our name for this new CMS is EmDash. We think of it as the spiritual successor to WordPress. It’s written entirely in TypeScript. It is serverless, but you can run it on your own hardware or any platform you choose. Plugins are securely sandboxed and can run in their own isolate, via Dynamic Workers, solving the fundamental security problem with the WordPress plugin architecture. And under the hood, EmDash is power…

If it uses Astro, then it's a literal static website generator. But with modern React components if you need anything on top of this. The same with plugins, I assume people don't have to use those but the important thing is that you can if you want to.
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