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EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by cataflutter »

TheTaytay wrote: post #158
solarkraft wrote: post #99

Convince me this isn’t vibeslop. If Cloudflare really have radically changed their software development philosophy lately, this would actually be an interesting project, being based on Astro and coming with some APIs for programmatic management. Them being so happy about the „cost of software development“ and not going very deep into ecosystem, community or project management doesn’t convince me that this is going to…

Coded with AI != slop. AI in the hands of the right person can actually be good. That's gotten _especially_ true in the past few months.

Maybe what the parent commenter was referring to is that recently CloudFlare have published multiple vibe-code demo blog posts whilst trying to pass it off as production grade, for example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46781516 where they implemented an open standard communication protocol on CloudFlare Workers.

The blog post was chock full of factual errors, claimed to be based off project X but wasn't at all and even had the cheek to include that it was arguably the most secure way to deploy such a server, with their implementation apparently already being used by their team to serve real traffic. Meanwhile the repo was full of TODOs for all the security aspects of the protocol.

Of course after the backlash a lot of this was covered up so look at the archives if you are curious.

They have really done a disservice to themselves because their blog posts used to be excellent, but now I have to question whether it's another blogpost full of fakery like that one (and there was another since iirc). Given this blog post talks about reimplementing a popular project, it starts to give off the signs of being another one of these. Unfortunate if that's not the case

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by jesse_dot_id »

hyperionultra wrote: post #162

Wordpress is PHP, which has developer base insanely larger then typescript. Also, a lot cheaper. Compete with that.

Your first statement is wildly and verifiably untrue (see: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2025/technology#most-popular...) and your second statement doesn't make sense. I've got like 8 sites on Pages/Workers with R1 + vectorize databases scattered around and I'm not paying a dime for any of that. What cost are you talking about?

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by teekert »

bombcar wrote: post #143
ascorbic wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the main engineer on this. I've also been on the Astro core team for two years, so I do think I understand real open source software and community. As the post implies, I did use a lot of agent time on this, but this isn't a vibe-coded weekend project. I've been working full time on this since mid-January.

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I started calling it LLM assisted coding. If you know what you’re doing but use LLMs to do tedious stuff and educate yourself on the unfamiliar bits you can move quite fast. The term vibe coding does not do that process justice imho.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by hombre_fatal »

andoando wrote: post #166
bombcar wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Agent coded != vibe coded. I don't write code manually anymore, but Im still getting the exact code output that I want.

It's a tough pill for some HNers to swallow, but with a good process, you can vibe-code really good software, and software far more tested, edge-cased, and thoughtful than you would have come up with, especially for software that isn't that one hobby passion project that you love thinking about.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by DANmode »

RobotToaster wrote: post #140
Closi wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can - it’s just more complex. You just put the comments into something like firebase/supabase etc or use one of many off the shelf solutions. Free tier is fine.

Is it still a static site then? You could just do it with CGI scripts, without the external dependencies, but that isn't really static either.

I run static sites for my clients, with embedded forms.

Performance says they’re definitely still static sites!

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by spankalee »

RobotToaster wrote: post #59
spankalee wrote: post #50

It's a shame they don't seem to try to address the divide between CMS's and static sites. Most WordPress sites could just be static, but WordPress has a nice editor interface, so they're not - unless you use a SSG plugin. Building that into the core workflow (which I believe Astro supports) and giving users a nice hosted editor that produces a static site would be welcome innovation.

The issue with static sites is they can't do comments.

So many WordPress sites don't have comments.
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