Convince me this isn’t vibeslop. If Cloudflare really have radically changed their software development philosophy lately, this would actually be an interesting project, being based on Astro and coming with some APIs for programmatic management. Them being so happy about the „cost of software development“ and not going very deep into ecosystem, community or project management doesn’t convince me that this is going to…
I'm the main engineer on this. I've also been on the Astro core team for two years, so I do think I understand real open source software and community. As the post implies, I did use a lot of agent time on this, but this isn't a vibe-coded weekend project. I've been working full time on this since mid-January.
EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security
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Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security
#212> Our name for this new CMS is EmDash. We think of it as the spiritual successor to WordPress. It’s written entirely in TypeScript. It is serverless, but you can run it on your own hardware or any platform you choose. Plugins are securely sandboxed and can run in their own isolate, via Dynamic Workers, solving the fundamental security problem with the WordPress plugin architecture. And under the hood, EmDash is power…
I am confused - what are the good “websites” roots? Server-side rendered or not?
You either write them by hand, or use a tool that generates it locally, upload everything and you're done. Perfect security. Great performances.
It's in this sense that static generators go back to the source, the simply produce dumb HTML files that you upload/publish to a web server that doesn't need to run any code. Just serve files.
Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security
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Agent coded != vibe coded. I don't write code manually anymore, but Im still getting the exact code output that I want.
Lot of ppl are only in the beginning stages so they think its different because they came up with some fancy looking formal process to generate vibe.
Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security
#214> no WordPress code was used to create EmDash
Hm. Do you think those agents were trained on WP code?
Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security
#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a tough pill for some HNers to swallow, but with a good process, you can vibe-code really good software, and software far more tested, edge-cased, and thoughtful than you would have come up with, especially for software that isn't that one hobby passion project that you love thinking about.
I mean to be fair, if you are using agents more than likely you are not thinking about aspects of the code as deeply as you would have before. If you write things yourself you spend far more time thinking about every little decision that you're making. Even for tests, I always thought the real valuable part of it was that it forced you to think about all the different cases, and that just having bunch of green checkb…
Before AI, you were often encumbered with the superficial aspects of a plan or implementation. So much that we often would start implementing first and then kinda feel it out as we go, saving advanced considerations and edge-cases for the future since we're not even sure what the impl will be.
That's useful for getting a visceral read on how a solution might feel in its fetal stage. But it takes a lot of time/energy/commitment to look into the future to think about edge cases, tests, potential requirement churn, alternative options, etc. and planning today around that.
With AI, agents are really good at running preformed ideas to their conclusion and then fortify it with edge-cases, tests, and trade-offs. Now your expertise is better spent deciding among trade-offs and deciding on what the surface area looks like.
Something that also just came to mind is that before AI, you would get married to a solution/abstraction because it would be too expensive to rewrite code/tests. But now, refactoring and updating tests is trivial. You aren't committed to a bad solution anymore. Or, your tests are kinda lame and brittle because they're vibe-coded (as opposed to not existing at all)? Ok, AI will change them for you.
I also think we accidentally put our foot on the scale in these comparisons. The pre-AI developer we'll imagine as a unicorn who always spends time getting into the weeds to suss out the ideal solution of every ticket with infinite time and energy and enthusiasm. The post-AI developer we'll imagine as someone who is incompetent. And we'll pit them against each other to say "See? There's a regression".
Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security
#216Serious question: Who actually builds stuff on Cloudflare workers? I mean large software projects / services, and not just side projects where the ability to scale-to-zero is perhaps more important than the scale-to-infinity direction. I feel like Cloudflare keeps pushing workers with its full force yet I fail to see the appeal.
Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security
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I'm the main engineer on this. I've also been on the Astro core team for two years, so I do think I understand real open source software and community. As the post implies, I did use a lot of agent time on this, but this isn't a vibe-coded weekend project. I've been working full time on this since mid-January.
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Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security
#218Convince me this isn’t vibeslop. If Cloudflare really have radically changed their software development philosophy lately, this would actually be an interesting project, being based on Astro and coming with some APIs for programmatic management. Them being so happy about the „cost of software development“ and not going very deep into ecosystem, community or project management doesn’t convince me that this is going to…
Coded with AI != slop. AI in the hands of the right person can actually be good. That's gotten _especially_ true in the past few months.
Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security
#219Convince me this isn’t vibeslop. If Cloudflare really have radically changed their software development philosophy lately, this would actually be an interesting project, being based on Astro and coming with some APIs for programmatic management. Them being so happy about the „cost of software development“ and not going very deep into ecosystem, community or project management doesn’t convince me that this is going to…
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> wordpress is valuable because it allows very bad developers / marketing people to write very bad code and get away with it, driving extremely low cost solutions for clients who are cost concious. You've sort of nailed it, but this isn't a bad thing. An alternative for these customers does not exist. There's another vertical which is organizations that have armies of writers churning out content. Any kind of publish…
>> wordpress is valuable because it allows very bad developers / marketing people to write very bad code and get away with it, driving extremely low cost solutions for clients who are cost concious. > You've sort of nailed it, but this isn't a bad thing. An alternative for these customers does not exist. Yes! I'm locked into WordPress, which I hate, because it's the only platform that will allow a non-developer to ma…