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U.S. exempts oil industry from protecting Gulf animals, for 'national security'

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Re: U.S. exempts oil industry from protecting Gulf animals, for 'national security'

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Post by linkjuice4all »

Glyptodon wrote: post #54
alanwreath wrote: post #22

Wasn’t diversifying US energy sources also a national security issue? And wind energy was set aside because, wait for it, they killed animals. Birds to be specific.

The folks in charge just want what they want without rhyme or reason. Mix a mind virus and joy of power together and get your eratic clown show. And many times it can go on a lot longer than you'd ever guess. Unfortunately as a society we keep moving further and further away from the foundations of a functional society based on a representative government and considering the general welfare.

The rhyme and the reason are pretty much this:

- I was able to make money off of this

- This pissed off the people I don’t like

None of this should come as a surprise. The scoundrels got the mob in power (again) and they’re just going to keep breaking things and stealing the money until stopped or dead.

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Post by creationcomplex »

ZunarJ5 wrote: post #3

"Definitive of what capitalism is, this separation severely limits the scope of the political. Devolving vast aspects of social life to the rule of “the market” (in reality, to large corporations), it declares them off-limits to democratic decision-making, collective action, and public control. Its very structure, therefore, deprives us of the ability to decide collectively exactly what and how much we want to produc…

Fascism is the logical fallback to protect wealth from redistribution.

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Post by tdb7893 »

crooked-v wrote: post #5

Oppositional defiant disorder on a cultural scale. Liberals want to protect animals and shift to use of green energy; therefore the fossil fuel industry must be promoted at all cost (even when they don't want to be, as with Trump forcing obsolete coal plants to remain open) and endangered animals must be killed off.

I've noticed this for MAGA people I've met in real life but for the people actually making decisions, this administration (and their friends/political donors) has been making too much money for basic greed to not also be a huge factor.

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Post by reenorap »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #52

Of the 13 billion barrels of oil the US produces every day, 1.5 billion (15%) comes from the gulf. Despite this being more than enough oil (we are a net-exporter of oil), we import crude oil because our refineries need a different type of crude. The extra 15% of oil we are killing the environment over is for making a profit to export to other nations. It is not for national security.

It's millions of barrels per day not billions.

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Post by marcosdumay »

crooked-v wrote: post #5

Oppositional defiant disorder on a cultural scale. Liberals want to protect animals and shift to use of green energy; therefore the fossil fuel industry must be promoted at all cost (even when they don't want to be, as with Trump forcing obsolete coal plants to remain open) and endangered animals must be killed off.

Nah, that's just bribes.

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Post by wise_young_man »

kingkawn wrote: post #56
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #47

2028: "To be secure as a nation we need to stamp out all dissent against the government and require all citizens to swear unyielding loyalty to the President."

This is 100% coming barring a mass political rising

If AI takes all the jobs and consolidation of wealth continues it’s not an unlikely outcome. No income no spending = dead economy, poverty and starvation.

What are do people do when their government and capitalism fails them?

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Post by atmavatar »

steve-atx-7600 wrote: post #65
alanwreath wrote: post #22

Wasn’t diversifying US energy sources also a national security issue? And wind energy was set aside because, wait for it, they killed animals. Birds to be specific.

That’s not the point. The point is if you lose a presidential election to a grifter, most folks are screwed in almost unlimited ways. Don’t lose an election to a grifter. Be more practical when it comes to not losing an election to a grifter next time.

The way you phrase all that underscores the real problem: no one holds the Republican party accountable for their actions. It's the Democrats' responsibility to save us from them, and when the public screws up and grants power to the Republicans again, it's the Democrats' fault and not those who voted in the goons who come in and break things.

The Democrats are hardly perfect, and I wish we had something better to oppose the Republicans, but let's at least acknowledge who the real villain is.

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Post by unethical_ban »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #52

Of the 13 billion barrels of oil the US produces every day, 1.5 billion (15%) comes from the gulf. Despite this being more than enough oil (we are a net-exporter of oil), we import crude oil because our refineries need a different type of crude. The extra 15% of oil we are killing the environment over is for making a profit to export to other nations. It is not for national security.

BILLION? My god, I didn't know we produced that much.

I've known for a while that our refineries are tuned to lighter "sweet crude" than what Canada or US produces, and long have I thought that a more benevolent, heavy-handed government should incentivize our domestic industry to handle our own oil for national security.

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