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U.S. exempts oil industry from protecting Gulf animals, for 'national security'

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Post by Glyptodon »

whalesalad wrote: post #17

I always thought Trump was such a joke. Completely non-threatening, just a big personality who kept popping up here and there. I even bought a MAGA hat back in the summer before the election explicitly because I thought it was hysterical he was even running, and knew he would lose. I thought the whole thing was a gag, a joke, just like Bloomberg. It didn't even cross my mind that someone so woefully inadequate for th…

He definitely combines traits from a best hits list of notorious leaders, ranging from King George III, Kaiser Wilhelm, Santa Ana, Porfirio Díaz, and more.

And Americans are supposed to understand this, but largely don't. Kind of like lots of people love the founders in theory, but act like Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson would have loved a theocracy. And basically don't know anything about stuff that would have influenced them, like the Commonwealth and the Glorious Revolution.

It's an absolutely literal Confederacy of Dunces.

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Post by JackYoustra »

glitchc wrote: post #59
crooked-v wrote: post #5

Oppositional defiant disorder on a cultural scale. Liberals want to protect animals and shift to use of green energy; therefore the fossil fuel industry must be promoted at all cost (even when they don't want to be, as with Trump forcing obsolete coal plants to remain open) and endangered animals must be killed off.

Let me rephrase that to provide a different connotation: Liberals want to kill economic progress to save a few animals. Neither side is honest, it's just a matter of framing and perspective.

What would Trump have to do for you to not give him the benefit of the doubt from that point forward?

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Post by throwawaysleep »

kettlecorn wrote: post #57
crooked-v wrote: post #5

Oppositional defiant disorder on a cultural scale. Liberals want to protect animals and shift to use of green energy; therefore the fossil fuel industry must be promoted at all cost (even when they don't want to be, as with Trump forcing obsolete coal plants to remain open) and endangered animals must be killed off.

It often seems like the contemporary American "conservative" feels that in order to oppose progressives they must become regressives.

They are pretty much openly that way.

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Post by throwawaysleep »

ch4s3 wrote: post #51
dlev_pika wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The fascism of Europe in in the 1930s was EXPLICITLY anti-capitalist. You can read tons of statements by various prominent fascists about how capitalism was the tool of the British empire and "globalists"(they often used a different word). They viewed it as separating the people from the land. Capitalists were not in any way fundamental to the rise of Nazism. If you're on about Pinochet, he only embraced market refor…

Trump is also often anti capitalist, between tariffs and government shares in business. There is what fascists say and what they do, and industrialists were often very good Nazis.

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Post by steve-atx-7600 »

alanwreath wrote: post #22

Wasn’t diversifying US energy sources also a national security issue? And wind energy was set aside because, wait for it, they killed animals. Birds to be specific.

That’s not the point. The point is if you lose a presidential election to a grifter, most folks are screwed in almost unlimited ways. Don’t lose an election to a grifter. Be more practical when it comes to not losing an election to a grifter next time.

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Post by creationcomplex »

kingkawn wrote: post #56
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #47

2028: "To be secure as a nation we need to stamp out all dissent against the government and require all citizens to swear unyielding loyalty to the President."

This is 100% coming barring a mass political rising

Start a war. Call dissent treason. Crush the left.

Capitalism falls back to fascism to protect wealth, time and time again.

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Post by chao- »

alanwreath wrote: post #22

Wasn’t diversifying US energy sources also a national security issue? And wind energy was set aside because, wait for it, they killed animals. Birds to be specific.

I'm not sure about all wind energy, but offshore wind energy has been set aside because Donald Trump's Scotland Golf Club lost a lawsuit to an offshore wind farm a decade ago, and he appears to have a blanket opposition to the concept ever since.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_International_Golf_Club_...

(personal commentary/context: I want more energy production of any economically viable category: wind, solar, nuclear, geothermal, natural gas, etc. I have no blanket opposition to offshore oil drilling or offshore wind energy)

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Post by stingraycharles »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #52

Of the 13 billion barrels of oil the US produces every day, 1.5 billion (15%) comes from the gulf. Despite this being more than enough oil (we are a net-exporter of oil), we import crude oil because our refineries need a different type of crude. The extra 15% of oil we are killing the environment over is for making a profit to export to other nations. It is not for national security.

Guess which nation also has this heavy type of crude oil? Venezuela, which was invaded earlier this year.

If I recall correctly, the US used to have more of this type of oil, that depleted, so now they still have all the refineries on the east coast and need to import it.

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Post by creationcomplex »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #37
whalesalad wrote: post #17

I always thought Trump was such a joke. Completely non-threatening, just a big personality who kept popping up here and there. I even bought a MAGA hat back in the summer before the election explicitly because I thought it was hysterical he was even running, and knew he would lose. I thought the whole thing was a gag, a joke, just like Bloomberg. It didn't even cross my mind that someone so woefully inadequate for th…

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Last week he announced Iran had offered to make him supreme leader.

Truth is not even vaguely relevant to anything out of that man's mouth.

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