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Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by sgbeal »

monegator wrote: post #36
sgbeal wrote: post #15

The section titled > IMPORTANT DISCLOSURES & WARNINGS Tells us: > You may stop using Copilot at any time. That's an odd thing to include in a ToS.

Like when i went to my github account to withdraw all copilot consents - which i never used anyway just to be greeted with an email that welcomed me to copilot and the free plan. No button or link to disable the thing.

> No button or link to disable the thing.

The line i initially quoted:

> You may stop using Copilot at any time.

Was incomplete. It continues with what initially appears to be a non sequitur:

> You may stop using Copilot at any time. If you want to close your Microsoft Account, please see the Microsoft Services Agreement.

It may not be a non sequitur, but may well be the only way to "opt out" of Copilot.

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by andy81 »

voxic11 wrote: post #29
marcosdumay wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the contract is purposefully obtuse and hard to understand, that should be a valid legal defense. When it's huge, falls upon people that can't justify a lawyer, and keeps changing all the time, one shouldn't even need to claim it. It should be automatically invalid.

> Copilot is for entertainment purposes only. It can make mistakes, and it may not work as intended. Don’t rely on Copilot for important advice. Use Copilot at your own risk. Seems pretty clear to me, do you really think people need a lawyer to understand that?

The only thing "clear" about that License agreement is it contradicts all their other marketing about Copilot.

So either that document is fraudulent or everyone else at Microsoft is committing fraud daily.

Examples from the first search result: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/microsoft-365-copi...

Support page with ~25 tutorials provided by Microsoft about how to "Create a document with Copilot" or "Create a branded presentation from a file" or "Start a Loop workspace from a Teams meeting".

Do you actually believe that creating branded presentations (from Microsoft's own examples) is something people do for "entertainment purposes"?

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by d3ckard »

ryandrake wrote: post #46
torginus wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My two cents is that if it didn't, 'I didn't know that was illegal/breach of contract' would be a valid legal defense. Although intentionally saying things that contradict whats in the contract might be legally objectionable.

I wish we lived in more of a "spirit of the law" world than a "letter of the law" world, where everything needs to be spelled out, but we don't. A small minority of people enjoy Rules Lawyering their way through life, insisting on trying to "gotcha" counterparties who are acting in good faith, so as a consequence, we all have to be Rules Lawyers and everything needs to be spelled out.

No, you don’t. It only sounds nice. In practice this enables all kinds of spontaneous prosecution with any possible motive.

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by qubex »

throwa356262 wrote: post #22
sgbeal wrote: post #15

The section titled > IMPORTANT DISCLOSURES & WARNINGS Tells us: > You may stop using Copilot at any time. That's an odd thing to include in a ToS.

I am working really hard to not start using Copilot. And belive me, if you use any Microsoft products or services they really make it hard to avoid accidentally using the damn thing. Including adding it to your office plan and then charging you 2x.

I’m a Mac user and the only way to get Office 365 is a monthly subscription. Since there’s no subscription that doesn’t include CoPilot and since they hiked the price with the excuse that they’d added this thing I didn’t want, I just cancelled my subscription. A customer lost: hardly an issue, but if enough people do it, maybe they’ll get a clue and stop ramming this unwelcome abomination down our throats.

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

ryandrake wrote: post #46
torginus wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My two cents is that if it didn't, 'I didn't know that was illegal/breach of contract' would be a valid legal defense. Although intentionally saying things that contradict whats in the contract might be legally objectionable.

I wish we lived in more of a "spirit of the law" world than a "letter of the law" world, where everything needs to be spelled out, but we don't. A small minority of people enjoy Rules Lawyering their way through life, insisting on trying to "gotcha" counterparties who are acting in good faith, so as a consequence, we all have to be Rules Lawyers and everything needs to be spelled out.

Theoretically, courts and judges exist precisely to balance the word and the spirit, and find and judge the actual intent. In practice, I'm in awe that good judgments still happen, despite everything.

Re: Microsoft: Copilot is for entertainment purposes only

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

jon-wood wrote: post #40
voxic11 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Copilot is for entertainment purposes only. It can make mistakes, and it may not work as intended. Don’t rely on Copilot for important advice. Use Copilot at your own risk. Seems pretty clear to me, do you really think people need a lawyer to understand that?

If Copilot is for entertainment purposes only then why is https://office.com all about how you can use Copilot, and closes with the small print "Copilot Chat in the Microsoft 365 Copilot app is available for Microsoft 365 Enterprise, Academic, SMB, Personal and Family subscribers with a work, education, or personal account." Why would they include a product for entertainment purposes only in the product they sell to…

Microsoft is pivoting to become an entertainment company, the Copilot being the final form of what Microsoft Bob has always wanted to become.
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