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Post by throwawayq3423 »

jimkleiber wrote: post #321
jedberg wrote: post #261

My Amazon layoff notice came at 5am. Same deal. I thought it was fake because it came to my personal email. Then I logged into my work computer and found that all my email had been erased except for a copy of the layoff notice and an invite to a 10am Zoom with HR. The funny part was the invite had everyone who had been laid off in the To: line. I was able to send internal only emails until 1pm, and then it logged me…

I'm not sure if companies understand the emotional impact on the laid off and the layoff survivors. It almost seems like a terror campaign, whether intended or not.

Honest question, why would they care?

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Post by hyperpape »

raverbashing wrote: post #226
hyperpape wrote: post #87

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1. They maintain and sell one of the largest relational databases. 2. They're the primary maintainer of one of the largest programming languages. 3. They do tons of HR/ERP type software. 4. They have a supply chain division (my company is a direct competitor, and we have 2000 employees--it's a drop in the bucket, but a few thousand here, a few thousand there and it starts to add up. Afaik, their supply chain org is b…

Also their cloud And all the supporting legal team of course.

No better proof that they're a huge company than that I could forget about an entire public cloud offering. Good point.

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Post by dpark »

zerr wrote: post #300
dpark wrote: post #285

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Why would you give someone 6 months notice? What good is that for the employee? Especially if the severance is generous. “Hey, we’re going to fire you in 6 months. Just a heads up.” Nah. Give me the year of salary and send me home today. Better for the employee and for the company than pointlessly dragging it out. Again, this is assuming generous severance.

Job hunting takes time. Also, they won't be deported in 30 days, along with their families.

I can do a lot of job hunting with a year of severance.

Valid point about employees on visas though.

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Post by uberduper »

jollymonATX wrote: post #208
imglorp wrote: post #186

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This feels correct. Their business model is squeezing anyone who can't migrate off their properties and suing the rest. Why would go $58B in debt to support a new feature that no one will want after alienating everyone above?

They have not pulled the pin on the ZFS grenade yet, but I expect at some point it happens.

There's no zfs grenade. It's CDDL, feel free to use it wherever you want. Oracle can't come after you for violating the gpl even if somehow using zfs on linux violates the gpl.

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Post by fipar »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #267
seanhunter wrote: post #248

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Short answer: today I think there is genuinely nothing that anyone should use oracle for, but their database used to be seriously far ahead of the competition. A very long time ago (circa 2000) there were basically 2 databases that worked for use cases where you needed high availability and vertical scalability and those were Oracle and Sybase and Oracle was really the only game in town if you actually wanted certain…

Just curious, how was SQL Server perceived at the time compared to Sybase and Oracle? I know it originated as a port of Sybase.

My experience at the time was that it was perceived as not serious enough and lacking important features. If my memory isn't very bad, I believe as late as 2000 SQL Server still only supported AFTER triggers.

In my experience in the late 90s and early 00s, besides Oracle and Sybase, DB/2 and Informix were also regarded as good. Oracle was considered the best though.

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Post by diogomqbm »

kyledrake wrote: post #157

The bulk of the comments in here are focused on comparing Larry Ellison to a lawn mower, so I'll try a new tack and say that I'm genuinely confused at what the value prop of Oracle is. Given the history of their business model being licensing of important databases that are hard to switch off of, I've actually made a point to avoid using Oracle as much as possible (even so far as to leave MySQL when they acquired it,…

i know they're also one of the AI data center providers of this era. Making partnerships with NVIDIA and helping GPUs get to market.

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Post by wiseowise »

simianwords wrote: post #227
bcrosby95 wrote: post #105

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Imagine thinking people losing their primary income source (usually 100% of it) is remotely comparable to the share price of a single company not going up 2%.

If you can’t lay off people then the economy won’t run and it affects everyone. Sure you can show easy empathy for the employees but this is how economy runs. A static economy where layoffs are hard or punished will lose to a more dynamic one.

> Sure you can show easy empathy for the employees but this is how economy runs. A static economy where layoffs are hard or punished will lose to a more dynamic one.

Is that why workers are generally happier in Europe even though on paper their economy loses?

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Post by mort96 »

tombert wrote: post #256
wredcoll wrote: post #220

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Amazon, among others, write a lot of java, but they want absolutely nothing to do with oracle licenses for java

I worked for a drug discovery company doing Java [1] since we were using Kafka Streams very liberally, but everything was done with the OpenJDK Temurin distribution. It was drilled into our heads on the first day do not install anything from Oracle . I think they were afraid of some weird lawsuit unless they bought an expensive license. I totally get it, but it made me a bit sad because they were even weary of someth…

I'm sure GraalVM is nice enough technology but I don't understand why anyone would actively choose to use a JVM from Oracle if they can avoid it.

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Post by arkaic »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #75
renewiltord wrote: post #55

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One of the ideal things that companies can do is not hire people. A company that never hires someone will never let anyone go and consequently is the only ethical company. The worst thing that a company could do is pay someone to do a job for a while. In fact, one thing we could do is make sure that all jobs should be perpetual. If someone hires you, they can't stop paying you until they die or declare bankruptcy. Th…

It’s not unethical to lay someone off

Irresponsible, careless, negligent. No planning leads to all of this. Ultimately unethical from this point of view
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