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Post by sleepybrett »

newsoftheday wrote: post #183
kyledrake wrote: post #157

The bulk of the comments in here are focused on comparing Larry Ellison to a lawn mower, so I'll try a new tack and say that I'm genuinely confused at what the value prop of Oracle is. Given the history of their business model being licensing of important databases that are hard to switch off of, I've actually made a point to avoid using Oracle as much as possible (even so far as to leave MySQL when they acquired it,…

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'percentage based growth'

Sure if you have 5 customers and got 5 more, that would be 100% growth...

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by tombert »

jvanderbot wrote: post #194
kyledrake wrote: post #157

The bulk of the comments in here are focused on comparing Larry Ellison to a lawn mower, so I'll try a new tack and say that I'm genuinely confused at what the value prop of Oracle is. Given the history of their business model being licensing of important databases that are hard to switch off of, I've actually made a point to avoid using Oracle as much as possible (even so far as to leave MySQL when they acquired it,…

Oracle and Java are deeply embedded in US gov work. How deep? Let's just say a large number of classified developer jobs hire for Java. Ellison has been a huge proponent of a surveillance state, and that likely ingratiates him with certain three letter agencies. The only developers I know who write Java full time work in systems that take pictures of things from far away.

Apple used Java in a ton of backend stuff. At least the entire backend for iTunes (Jingle) was written in Java and very very small amount of Clojure.

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Post by bobthepanda »

wredcoll wrote: post #220
bobthepanda wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Java is not uncommon. Off the top of my head, a certain rainforest company and a lot of banks and EMR providers use it.

Amazon, among others, write a lot of java, but they want absolutely nothing to do with oracle licenses for java

Right, I just feel like this is a bit over the top

> The only developers I know who write Java full time work in systems that take pictures of things from far away.

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Post by raverbashing »

hyperpape wrote: post #87
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even at 100k employees I’m still dumbfounded by that number. What do all these people do all day?

1. They maintain and sell one of the largest relational databases. 2. They're the primary maintainer of one of the largest programming languages. 3. They do tons of HR/ERP type software. 4. They have a supply chain division (my company is a direct competitor, and we have 2000 employees--it's a drop in the bucket, but a few thousand here, a few thousand there and it starts to add up. Afaik, their supply chain org is b…

Also their cloud

And all the supporting legal team of course.

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Post by simianwords »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #105
kjksf wrote: post #78

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Imagine thinking people losing their primary income source (usually 100% of it) is remotely comparable to the share price of a single company not going up 2%.

If you can’t lay off people then the economy won’t run and it affects everyone.

Sure you can show easy empathy for the employees but this is how economy runs. A static economy where layoffs are hard or punished will lose to a more dynamic one.

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

lateforwork wrote: post #129
dolphinscorpion wrote: post #15

Unless you're being offered a very good package, any firing email is cold. Let's be honest

What is the alternative? Have 30,000 meetings? How long will that take?

A great alternative would be operating a company correctly so you don't end up in a situation where you need to cut 30k jobs at once with no notice. That's a bizarre thing that's becoming practically normalized in the USA tech industry.

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Post by jen20 »

tombert wrote: post #223
jvanderbot wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oracle and Java are deeply embedded in US gov work. How deep? Let's just say a large number of classified developer jobs hire for Java. Ellison has been a huge proponent of a surveillance state, and that likely ingratiates him with certain three letter agencies. The only developers I know who write Java full time work in systems that take pictures of things from far away.

Apple used Java in a ton of backend stuff. At least the entire backend for iTunes (Jingle) was written in Java and very very small amount of Clojure.

One only need look at the job postings for Apple to see quite how common Java backend is there.

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Post by rockinghigh »

kyledrake wrote: post #157

The bulk of the comments in here are focused on comparing Larry Ellison to a lawn mower, so I'll try a new tack and say that I'm genuinely confused at what the value prop of Oracle is. Given the history of their business model being licensing of important databases that are hard to switch off of, I've actually made a point to avoid using Oracle as much as possible (even so far as to leave MySQL when they acquired it,…

Their revenue was $57.4 billion last year. Just in Q4; cloud revenue $6.7 billion, cloud infrastructure $3.0 billion, cloud application $3.7 billion, Fusion Cloud ERP $1.0 billion, NetSuite cloud ERP $1.0 billion.
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