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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by electroly »

mike_hearn wrote: post #608
electroly wrote: post #596

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This doesn't seem to be the same thing. The article isn't about being unable to type before JavaScript starts executing. If I understand correctly, you're unable to type until a network request to Cloudflare returns . The question is: why not allow typing during that network request? JavaScript is running and it's observing the keystrokes. Everyone understands that you can't use a React application until JavaScript i…

The network request to Cloudfare is part of the JavaScript (in effect).

I don't think that's true in this case; the React application loads first, fully initializes, and then sends its state via Cloudflare request. It can't happen at the same time, by design. It has to happen serially. The article's claim is that you can't type during this second request. Frankly, I wonder if this is actually true at all. The article did not demonstrate this, and there's no problem if you can actually interact as soon as the React application is running. ChatGPT running abuse prevention and React applications requiring JavaScript to work are both uncontroversial, I think.

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Post by butlike »

mghackerlady wrote: post #523
Den_VR wrote: post #283

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I miss the www where the .html was written in vim or notepad.

It still can be. Do it. Go make your website in M$ Frontpage, for all I care

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Post by splatter9859 »

jordanb wrote: post #558
Imnimo wrote: post #149

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It's interesting to me that OpenAI considers scraping to be a form of abuse.

They don't want anyone to take that which they have rightfully stolen.

Exactly! How dare you have access to their stolen content in the midst of them doing the same.

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Post by splatter9859 »

littlestymaar wrote: post #333
raincole wrote: post #319

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Quite sure even literal thieves would consider thievery a form of abuse.

Yeah, they know it's bad, they just don't think the rules apply to them.

They never have and feel they are above reproach. Anytime Altman opens his mouth that's apparent. It's for the good of humanity dontcha know. LOL

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

lmz wrote: post #601
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #587

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I don't think anybody claimed no Native Americans tried to fight back against their genocide?

It's painting border enforcement as somehow immoral. There is no sin in trying to be better at it than those before.

genociding people to take their land within their borders is generally frowned upon today

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by Chance-Device »

bogdan wrote: post #472
Chance-Device wrote: post #448

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Do you think I have some obligation to agree with you or something? You love the article, nice, good for you. I think it’s crap.

Whilst you and a few other commentators call this AI slop and refuse to engage with it, the rest of us have read something interesting and learned something new. Is anything gained if one points out that it's written by AI? I personally know it's written by AI but the value outweighs the stylistic idiosyncrasies. Consider also that many people aren't the best at writing blog-like posts but still have things to share…

What’s not constructive about it, Bogdan? I’ve said exactly what I think is wrong with the article, the framing is AI pattern matching to something that it isn’t. It’s a weird kind of incongruent clickbait, it’s not positioning itself as a piece about cloudflare or turnstile, it’s implicitly saying “look at this sneaky thing OpenAI are doing that I uncovered!” and it turns out they’re not doing much of anything at all.

This may be unintentional and the author simply couldn’t tell it sounded this way. The less charitable interpretation is that they did know it sounded this way and thought that a straightforward blog post about cloudflare bot detection wouldn’t end up on the HN front page.

What’s my constructive criticism to the author? Write your own posts. Use your own voice. Make sure that what you’re creating actually reads like the kind of thing it is. Don’t get the AI to write it for you. It’s annoying.

And I would say that if someone is really so bad at writing blogs that they are unable to do this, which I am not saying this author is, then maybe they shouldn’t be writing them.

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Post by mghackerlady »

butlike wrote: post #612
mghackerlady wrote: post #523

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It still can be. Do it. Go make your website in M$ Frontpage, for all I care

Shameless plug: My music homepage follows the HTML 2.0 spec and is written by hand https://sampleoffline.com/

heck yeah B)

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Post by tempaccountabgd »

MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

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Post by nickelpro »

bogdan wrote: post #472
Chance-Device wrote: post #448

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Do you think I have some obligation to agree with you or something? You love the article, nice, good for you. I think it’s crap.

Whilst you and a few other commentators call this AI slop and refuse to engage with it, the rest of us have read something interesting and learned something new. Is anything gained if one points out that it's written by AI? I personally know it's written by AI but the value outweighs the stylistic idiosyncrasies. Consider also that many people aren't the best at writing blog-like posts but still have things to share…

The intended value is difficult to discern in AI written pieces.

I agree with both of you, there's some interesting tricks here for how a website builds anti-bot protection, but the AI sloppification is framing it as a consumer protection issue but not delivering on that premise.

It is a reasonable criticism that the post does not deliver a "so what?" on its basic framing.

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Post by SilasX »

Schiendelman wrote: post #539
lionkor wrote: post #390

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Hi Nick, first of all, very cool of you to respond here instead of letting us all sit in the dark. I think that's what makes HN special. That said, is it not a little bit weird that you want to protect yourself from scraping and bots, when your entire company, product, revenue, and your employment, depends on the fact that OpenAI can bot and scrape literally every part of the internet? So your moat is non-hydrated re…

Don't beat up an engineer for decisions made by company leadership. It's really inappropriate.

While I would generally sympathize on that front, it doesn't really apply here.

None of the management-level desiderata he appealed to require that the user experience be broken this bad. There is very little bot deterrence from prevention of typing at that stage, while it heavily impacts user experience, especially on mobile.

I elaborate here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47575982

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