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Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by swiftcoder »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #383
vrganj wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU did not pass Chat Control is the key message here. Your framing is strange.

And only 40% of people still support Trump. But the analogy is the same. If you have 10 friends and ask them where they want to eat for dinner and six say let’s go to an Italian restaurant and 4 say “let’s kill Bob and eat him”, you still have a shitty group of friends. It only takes one controversy to tip the scales. All governments have a propensity to want more power.

> All governments have a propensity to want more power.

Some governments have more effective checks-and-balances than others. The EU is a much looser confederation than the US, with significantly more power still invested in the member states (many of whom themselves are also loose confederations of semi-autonomous provinces...)

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by grumpyprole »

henry2023 wrote: post #110
MostlyStable wrote: post #42

>Here’s hoping governments regulate laptop manufacturers to actually make repairable machines in the future. No, this is a bad solution. If you want a repairable machine, buy one. They exist. Others have already mentioned Framework, but there are other options that aren't that far down the spectrum either. One of the things macbook users praise the most is "build quality", which often means the solidity of the device…

you seem to assume that markets regulate themselves. This is a common fallacy. Good regulation is fundamental in any working society.

Yes, the belief that markets self regulate, was proved incorrect by the 2008 financial crisis.

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by swiftcoder »

Xixi wrote: post #296
hnfong wrote: post #205

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> It’s time to accept regulation actually does work when you have a competent government. Given that it's the EU making those regulations, it looks like the government only has to be semi-competent. Maybe the only requirement is that they're not totally in bed with the big corps making money.

I wonder to what extent in this instance it is driven by the EU regulating (mostly) foreign companies rather than (mostly) domestic ones. Said differently, it is much easier for the EU to be impartial and competent when regulating Apple or Samsung than when regulating Volkswagen or Stellantis...

> it is much easier for the EU to be impartial and competent when regulating Apple or Samsung than when regulating Volkswagen or Stellantis

They are still regulating the auto manufacturers pretty harshly, and without any particular favouritism, even though that is letting foreign players like BYD eat the lunch of the domestic manufacturers (who mostly seem to have bet the farm on a US-led return to fossil fuel dominance)

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by pixl97 »

piekvorst wrote: post #371
rjmunro wrote: post #351

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> If I buy a can of soup and find glass in it, I have a valid claim against the manufacturer. What does that mean?

It means you can sue for product liability under common law. Negligence, breach of warranty, or strict liability, depending on jurisdiction. Court decides after harm.

Right, this typically works very well after you spend tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars getting all the stuff to court in the first place to have a trial drag on for years in discovery all the while the hospital is sending out debt collectors.

Oh, that's if it wasn't actually a shell company in the first place that has no assets.

A good portion of the things you mention existed before we had food regulations, you could sue the business if you had issues with them. The problem is the vast portion of the population is far too poor to do that. Regulations stop the harm before it happens.

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by swiftcoder »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #345
lelanthran wrote: post #187

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> A lot of people would be pissed to have MacBooks with worse "build quality" even if they were more reparable. It is not a given that being repairable results in worse build quality.

It is a given if someone could have made a superior product in the last 15 years, i.e. more repairable laptop with higher build quality, they would have.

> It is a given if someone could have made a superior product in the last 15 years, i.e. more repairable laptop with higher build quality, they would have.

Most of the PC competitors of the last 15 years have struggled to even come close to achieving similar build quality.

I'm not sure who this mythical competitor could be, who is supposed to not only match unibody aluminium MacBook build quality, but also solve repairability, and come in with a final product that is cheaper?

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by frantathefranta »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #369
alsetmusic wrote: post #157

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When one party will violate every norm and law to the greatest extent that they can get away with it, it's pretty much impossible to compete with them. I want good things for people. I can't compete with fascists because they will cheat and lie and employ violence. My positive intent is almost impossible to out thwart their dirty deeds if they are willing to break laws / change laws and I won't.

It amazes me that so many people blame the politicians and not the people who elected them.

Blaming voters for being stupid is not widely accepted yet.

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by chrismorgan »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #388
chrismorgan wrote: post #387

An anecdote on third-party keyboard replacements. I have an ASUS Zephyrus G15 (2021), GA503QM. I’ve been using it extremely heavily for five years. After about three years the left arrow key gradually stopped working. I adapted. Some keys have become a little less reliable, too, most notably E, and it’s nowhere near as crisp as it was when new. But it’s still a decent keyboard, which definitely wasn’t the case for tw…

You know what this means right? Turn this old man into a server (remove battery for safety). It will work for many more years.

I was planning on building a PC toward the end of last year, but several life things and the need for an inverter (I live in India now, and power is regularly off for hours) complicated and delayed it, and when I came back to it in December, RAM had got super expensive, and I just couldn’t justify the 50% increase in total price. Now if this laptop stopped working more…

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

frantathefranta wrote: post #396
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It amazes me that so many people blame the politicians and not the people who elected them.

Blaming voters for being stupid is not widely accepted yet.

The voters aren’t stupid. They are actively malignant and cheer what the administration is doing.

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by sham1 »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #383
vrganj wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU did not pass Chat Control is the key message here. Your framing is strange.

And only 40% of people still support Trump. But the analogy is the same. If you have 10 friends and ask them where they want to eat for dinner and six say let’s go to an Italian restaurant and 4 say “let’s kill Bob and eat him”, you still have a shitty group of friends. It only takes one controversy to tip the scales. All governments have a propensity to want more power.

If you want a government of saints, you will be sorely disappointed. The four people who want to kill Bob and eat him for dinner will always exist, and the important part is to not let them actually decide on the dinner plan instead of just throwing your hand up in the air and giving up on planning dinners because some people are loonies and should not be given power.

Yeah, just like with Chat Control and such, it takes vigilance and informing people around you in order to deny these sorts of things from happening, but we can take some respite in it not happening. The USB-C regulation changed things for the better by forcing the most obstinate member of the mobile phone ecosystem to adopt the connector. The replaceable battery regulation will force manufacturers to make their devices more repairable, and that is a good thing.

Discounting that because of political mistakes that were only narrowly avoided seems frankly myopic. You can't just argue against all the good things the EU has done with "whatabout Chat Control"

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

swiftcoder wrote: post #391
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And only 40% of people still support Trump. But the analogy is the same. If you have 10 friends and ask them where they want to eat for dinner and six say let’s go to an Italian restaurant and 4 say “let’s kill Bob and eat him”, you still have a shitty group of friends. It only takes one controversy to tip the scales. All governments have a propensity to want more power.

> All governments have a propensity to want more power. Some governments have more effective checks-and-balances than others. The EU is a much looser confederation than the US, with significantly more power still invested in the member states (many of whom themselves are also loose confederations of semi-autonomous provinces...)

And let terrorism happen to any number of the member states. They would demand Chat Control being passed
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