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15 years, one server, 8GB RAM and 500k users – how Webminal refuses to die

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Re: 15 years, one server, 8GB RAM and 500k users – how Webminal refuses to die

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how much money went into the hosting over the years. A year ago I bought a Intel N100 Mini PC with 16 GB DDR5 RAM and a 512 GB SSD for $170. Maybe it could have hosted the site too. It's certainly a lot faster than Azure VMs with 4 "vCPUs".

2x the cost of power is probably reasonable number to use

With the N100, the yearly cost depending on load and electricity price is probably between $20-$60.

Re: 15 years, one server, 8GB RAM and 500k users – how Webminal refuses to die

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To be fair. 8GB of ram is huge. I don't know, maybe I'm stuck in the early 00s but even 2 GB of ram still seems extravagant; I remember when that was an exotic amount of RAM for dedicated gamers to play extremely high fidelity games, so for a mere web server 8 GB of ram almost seems like absurd overkill. I still feel a tinge of shame whenever I see any software of my own using more than a few hundred megabytes. What…

64K was huge when the Commodore 64 came along.

Not sure why the down votes, this is true. If you only had 16, 32, or 48K then 64K seemed like a lot.

Hell, the RAM size was so important that they named machines after it.

Re: 15 years, one server, 8GB RAM and 500k users – how Webminal refuses to die

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post #28

Old school internet. Internet done right. Great work giis. I haven't used it, I didn't know it existed until now, but I'm happy it exists and has been providing service to those who need it. There should be more of this.

Thanks, most of these came out restriction, we cant afford to throw money on horizontal scaling (adding more server,load server etc). So we kind of forced to try out new things to keep cost affordable. There are many thing left out on above doc: IIRC, we started with openvz and even today our security relies on SELinux, how we remapped user account creation with pre-existing templates for ext4 quota, we moved to xfs…

restrictions lead to clever and optimized solutions. well done!

Re: 15 years, one server, 8GB RAM and 500k users – how Webminal refuses to die

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> User Mode Linux

Oh man, what a blast from the past. I have fond memories of learning linux networking with netkit (based on UML).

UML was a really really cool piece of technology.

If anybody is wondering, User Mode Linux lets you boot a Linux kernel as a normal linux process, and then run an userspace, still in a linux process. This is from 2001. Super cool.

Re: 15 years, one server, 8GB RAM and 500k users – how Webminal refuses to die

#47

To be fair. 8GB of ram is huge. I don't know, maybe I'm stuck in the early 00s but even 2 GB of ram still seems extravagant; I remember when that was an exotic amount of RAM for dedicated gamers to play extremely high fidelity games, so for a mere web server 8 GB of ram almost seems like absurd overkill. I still feel a tinge of shame whenever I see any software of my own using more than a few hundred megabytes. What…

Recently I had a laggy browser tab and I checked and it literally was using 7.6 GB of RAM.

Re: 15 years, one server, 8GB RAM and 500k users – how Webminal refuses to die

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post #14

That's wonderful and I know why it's an Indian founder. Was so hard to get a remote shell back then. Indian debit cards didn't work online reliably and so on. So what's the hardware underneath? Cloud server or on-prem? These days the world is amazing. Oracle Cloud gives you a ton for free. But perhaps there's some niche where this is useful. I have to say that this shared screen comms system is outrageously crazy, ha…

Constraints are beautiful.

Re: 15 years, one server, 8GB RAM and 500k users – how Webminal refuses to die

#49
Well... The best days were just putting hardware in a 2U box, racking it, and paying a bit for power and networking. This was such an easier time, and a handful of core 2 duos were fully capable of streaming 1080p video to around a million daus.

Of course, there's far more money in really fancy shared hosting that wastes resources, so that's the current model. Then you market to C-level folks that "real companies" host on AWS or Azure, and that all others options are "unserious." If your opex for compute isn't a million, you're wrong.

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