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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by magicseth »

dandellion wrote: post #179
Arainach wrote: post #165

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> Yes, even their "humanifesto" is LLM output, and is written almost exclusively in the "it's not X it's Y" style. ....no. There's not a single occurrence of that. https://keywitness.io/manifesto There are six emdashes on that page. NONE of them are "it's not X it's why". > Emails, messages, essays, code reviews, love letters — all suspect. > We believe this can be solved — not by detecting AI, but by proving humanit…

It's either a bot, or someone who writes exactly like a bot. I don't care which it is, both go to the discard pile.

phew!

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by scq »

brigandish wrote: post #187
scq wrote: post #137

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Just because a web application uses React and is slow, it does not follow that it is slow because of React. It's perfectly possible to write fast or slow web applications in React, same as any other framework. Linear is one of the snappiest web applications I've ever used, and it is written in React.

Does not, in the seeming absence of other snappy examples and the overwhelming evidence of many, many slow React apps, the exception prove the rule?

There are plenty of snappy examples. Off the top of my head: Discord, Netflix, Signal Desktop, WhatsApp Web.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by magicseth »

Velocifyer wrote: post #173
Arainach wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes, even their "humanifesto" is LLM output, and is written almost exclusively in the "it's not X it's Y" style. ....no. There's not a single occurrence of that. https://keywitness.io/manifesto There are six emdashes on that page. NONE of them are "it's not X it's why". > Emails, messages, essays, code reviews, love letters — all suspect. > We believe this can be solved — not by detecting AI, but by proving humanit…

Oh you think it's stupid? It was an attempt to encode an encryption key that isn't sent to the server in a way that is minimally invasive. The skintone emomis allow pretty high byte density, and also are cute!

Sorry it doesn't meet your needs.

There is irony in having an ai generated humanifesto. Could it be intentional? hmm?

Is there no irony in deriding a project for being potentially LLM generated, when it's goal is to aide people in differentiating? :shrug:

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by tmpz22 »

zdragnar wrote: post #159
DenisM wrote: post #138

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In the good old days Netflix had "Dynamic HTML" code that would take a DOM element which scrolled out of view port and move it to the position where it was about to be scrolled in from the other end. Hence he number of DOM elements stayed constant no matter how far you scroll and the only thing that grows is the Y coordinate. They did it because a lot of devices running Netflix (TVs, DVD players, etc) were underpower…

> Hence he number of DOM elements stayed constant no matter how far you scroll and the only thing that grows is the Y coordinate. This is generally called virtual scrolling, and it is not only an option in many common table libraries, but there are plenty of standalone implementations and other libraries (lists and things) that offer it. The technique certainly didn't originate with Netflix.

Its been about three years but infinite scroll is naunced depending on the content that needs to be displayed. Its a tough nut to crack and can require a lot of maintenance to keep stable.

None of which chatgpt can handle presumably.

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Post by magicseth »

scoofy wrote: post #115
magicseth wrote: post #99

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If apple approves it, ive got a solution: A keyboardthat attests to your humanity https://typed.by/magicseth/2451#2NyGLfAQxmqRiAOTlaX7ma3G4d1o...

Somewhere there is someone 3D printing a keyboard cover that an llm can type with.

I'm actually building a physical keyboard for those people who don't have iphones! Though given the reaction I'm seeing here, I probably won't share it with this audience :-P it has capacitive keys, a secure enclave, and a fingerprint sensor.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by magicseth »

delish wrote: post #130
mzajc wrote: post #109

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Brilliant! Just the thing we want: more hardware attestation, more deanonymization, less user control, all diligently orchestrated in a repository where the only contributor is Anthropic Claude [0]. Comes complete with a misaligned ASCII diagram in the README to show how much effort the humans behind it put in! Yes, even their "humanifesto" is LLM output, and is written almost exclusively in the "it's not X it's Y" s…

Those are all situationally-valid criticisms, but I've long thought the ability to have smartphones' cameras cryptographically sign photos is good when available. The use case is demonstrating a photo wasn't doctored, and that it came from a device associated with e.g. a journalist, who maintains a public key. Of course, it should be optional.

Yes! That's what I'm getting at. This protocol optionally allows you to sign with your private key, but you don't have to for the protocol to provide utility. It could just be enough to say "if you trust magicseth's binary and apple, then this was typed one letter at a time"

There's nothing stopping folks from typing a message an LLM wrote one at a time, but the idea of increasing the human cost of sending messages is an interesting one, or at least I thought :-(

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Post by BoorishBears »

dotancohen wrote: post #194
zdragnar wrote: post #159

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> Hence he number of DOM elements stayed constant no matter how far you scroll and the only thing that grows is the Y coordinate. This is generally called virtual scrolling, and it is not only an option in many common table libraries, but there are plenty of standalone implementations and other libraries (lists and things) that offer it. The technique certainly didn't originate with Netflix.

And yet ChatGPT does not use it. GP was mentioning that a solution to the problem exists, not that Netflix specifically invented it. Your quip that the technique is not specific to Netflix bolsters the argument that OpenAI should code that in.

They didn't actually name the solution: the solution is virtualization.

They described Netflix's implementation, but if someone actually wanted to follow up on this (even for their own personal interest), Dynamic HTML would not get you there, while virtualization would across all the places it's used: mobile, desktop, web, etc.

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Post by atoav »

everdrive wrote: post #69
MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

It's getting to the point where a user needs at minimum two browsers. One to allow all this horrendous client checking so that crucial services work, and another browser to attempt to prevent tracking users across the web. Nick, I understand the practical realities regarding why you'd need to try to tamp down on some bot traffic, but do you see a world where users are not forced to choose between privacy and function…

What if I run a website and OpenAI produces bot traffic? Do they also consider it abuse when they do it?

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Post by ProofHouse »

Imnimo wrote: post #149
MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

It's interesting to me that OpenAI considers scraping to be a form of abuse.

The irony is thick

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by docjay »

halJordan wrote: post #172
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #78

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Firefox multicontainers are pretty cool. But it’s an advanced process that most people wouldn’t do or do correctly.

It is absolutely not an advanced process. It's clicking a gui. It's not advanced thinking to understand profiles. It's a basic ability to hold multiple things in your mind at once. Telling people that's difficult only increases the societal problem that being ignorant is ok.

“Difficult” is a relative term. They were saying it was a difficult concept for them, not you. In order to save their ego, people often phrase those events to be inclusive of the reader; it doesn’t feel as bad if you imagine everyone else would struggle too. Pay attention and you’ll notice yourself doing it too.

“Ignorant” is also infinite - you’re ignorant of MANY things as well, and I’m sure you would struggle with things I can do with ease. For example, understanding the meaning behind what’s being said so I know not to brow-beat someone over it.

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