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ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by ale42 »

EGreg wrote: post #21
lxgr wrote: post #14

It's absurd how unusable Cloudflare is making the web when using a browser or IP address they consider "suspicious". I've lately been drowning in captchas for the crime of using Firefox. All in the interest of "bot protection", of course.

Well, that's for the public internet. I'm building Safebox and Safecloud, where this won't be the case anymore. Not only will you have a decentralized hosting network that can sideload resources (e.g. via a browser extension that looks at your "integrity" attribute on websites) but also the websites will require you to be logged in with a HMAC-signed session ID (which means they don't need to do any I/O to reject you…

This was sarcasm, right?

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by lucasfin000 »

lxgr wrote: post #14

It's absurd how unusable Cloudflare is making the web when using a browser or IP address they consider "suspicious". I've lately been drowning in captchas for the crime of using Firefox. All in the interest of "bot protection", of course.

The real frustrating part is that Cloudflare's "definition" of suspicious keeps changing and expanding. VPN users, privacy-first browsers, uncommon IP ranges, they all get flagged. The people most likely to get caught by these systems are exactly the ones who care most about their privacy, and not the bots that they are apparently targeting.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by themafia »

My theory is that "AI" doesn't really have any long term paying customers and the majority of the "users" are people who have cooked up some clever hack to effectively siphon computing power from these providers in an effort to crank out the lowest effort ad supported slop imaginable.

Every provider seems to have been plauged by these freeloaders to such an extent that they've had to develop extreme and onerous countermeasures just to avoid losing their shirts.

What's the word? Schadenfreude?

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by NotPractical »

simonw wrote: post #6

Presumably this is all because OpenAI offers free ChatGPT to logged out users and don't want that being abused as a free API endpoint.

But do they do it whether you're logged in or not?

I noticed the ChatGPT app also checks Play Integrity on Android (because GrapheneOS snitches on apps when they do this), probably for the same reason. Claude's app doesn't, by the way, but it also requires a login.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by doctaj »

onion2k wrote: post #19
lxgr wrote: post #14

It's absurd how unusable Cloudflare is making the web when using a browser or IP address they consider "suspicious". I've lately been drowning in captchas for the crime of using Firefox. All in the interest of "bot protection", of course.

Is that because botnets spoof being Firefox? It's not really fair to blame Cloudflare it is. That's on the bots.

In what way would that not be fair? Their product giving false positives (unnecessary challenges for a normal browser humans commonly use) to real people is definitely their fault.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by cogman10 »

danielheath wrote: post #26
lxgr wrote: post #14

It's absurd how unusable Cloudflare is making the web when using a browser or IP address they consider "suspicious". I've lately been drowning in captchas for the crime of using Firefox. All in the interest of "bot protection", of course.

Maybe check your network isn't sending web traffic you're not aware of? I'm running firefox and seeing the normal amount.

Every so often, usually after a firefox update, CF will get into a "I'm convinced your a bot" mode with me. I can get out of it by solving 20 CAPTCHAs.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by dheera »

lxgr wrote: post #14

It's absurd how unusable Cloudflare is making the web when using a browser or IP address they consider "suspicious". I've lately been drowning in captchas for the crime of using Firefox. All in the interest of "bot protection", of course.

Exactly. For the most part all this bot protection is only protecting these websites against humans.

I don't do free work. I'm not going to label 50 images of crosswalks and motorcycles for free.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by gruez »

doctaj wrote: post #35
onion2k wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that because botnets spoof being Firefox? It's not really fair to blame Cloudflare it is. That's on the bots.

In what way would that not be fair? Their product giving false positives (unnecessary challenges for a normal browser humans commonly use) to real people is definitely their fault.

>Their product giving false positives (unnecessary challenges for a normal browser humans commonly use) to real people is definitely their fault.

Is it TSA's "fault" that non-terrorists are subject to screening?

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by jychang »

danielheath wrote: post #26
lxgr wrote: post #14

It's absurd how unusable Cloudflare is making the web when using a browser or IP address they consider "suspicious". I've lately been drowning in captchas for the crime of using Firefox. All in the interest of "bot protection", of course.

Maybe check your network isn't sending web traffic you're not aware of? I'm running firefox and seeing the normal amount.

Most people are on a CGNAT these days, drowning in captchas is the new normal. You’re at the mercy of one of your neighbors not hosting a botnet from their home computer.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by forkerenok »

gruez wrote: post #38
doctaj wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way would that not be fair? Their product giving false positives (unnecessary challenges for a normal browser humans commonly use) to real people is definitely their fault.

>Their product giving false positives (unnecessary challenges for a normal browser humans commonly use) to real people is definitely their fault. Is it TSA's "fault" that non-terrorists are subject to screening?

We're discussing the quality of screening here, not the act/necessity of screening itself.
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