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Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by surgical_fire »

karl11 wrote: post #77

I don't think there has ever been a company so poorly understood (willfully or otherwise) as Palantir. They make a software platform, it does not come with any data, does not come connected to any datasources, etc. You can literally sign up right now for a trial and see this for yourself. It looks the same if you were to purchase a license. This headline might as well say 'Say No to PostgreSQL' or 'Say No to Excel' o…

Is their code open? Can you somehow attest that the data it ingests is fully under control of the client that uses the platform?

The comparison to PostgreSQL in particular is very poor in that regard.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by beepbooptheory »

karl11 wrote: post #77

I don't think there has ever been a company so poorly understood (willfully or otherwise) as Palantir. They make a software platform, it does not come with any data, does not come connected to any datasources, etc. You can literally sign up right now for a trial and see this for yourself. It looks the same if you were to purchase a license. This headline might as well say 'Say No to PostgreSQL' or 'Say No to Excel' o…

Ok but then why? Or, what's your point here? Like what would explain the behavior you are noting if it really is that absurd and seemingly arbitrary? Is the implication that they just have really bad PR?

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by pimeys »

polyamid23 wrote: post #76
KellyCriterion wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ex-Colleagues are launching a startup right now: No US-Services from the beginning on, only OpenSource and this new EU-Office thingy. I think more companies will join the train? Esp new & smaller ones, for sure there is no option for bigCorp like ASML to be free of US-cloud, but maybe its gaining traction.

What new EU-Office thingy?

https://office.eu/

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by gip »

KellyCriterion wrote: post #44
epolanski wrote: post #36

Instantly signed up. I'm already moving most of my clients out of any US-based offering. Azure and Jira are sticky, but they'll be out sooner or later.

Ex-Colleagues are launching a startup right now: No US-Services from the beginning on, only OpenSource and this new EU-Office thingy. I think more companies will join the train? Esp new & smaller ones, for sure there is no option for bigCorp like ASML to be free of US-cloud, but maybe its gaining traction.

Surprised by this take. Building a startup is already insanely hard. So I wouldn’t like to add more challenge by spending time integrating with non-US services if they are not top just because of my political views.

I feel a better answer is for Europe to build real, competitive alternatives to US services.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by tasuki »

karl11 wrote: post #77

I don't think there has ever been a company so poorly understood (willfully or otherwise) as Palantir. They make a software platform, it does not come with any data, does not come connected to any datasources, etc. You can literally sign up right now for a trial and see this for yourself. It looks the same if you were to purchase a license. This headline might as well say 'Say No to PostgreSQL' or 'Say No to Excel' o…

> This headline might as well say 'Say No to PostgreSQL' or 'Say No to Excel' or 'Say No to Salesforce', etc. Wild.

Wat? These are wildly different things:

> Say No to PostgreSQL

Sure, if you self-host it, this would be a stupid thing to say.

> Say No to Excel

A little worse: it's proprietary and who knows what it does and where it sends your data.

> Say No to Salesforce

Way worse: they host the data, and who knows what they do with it.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by encom »

0x3f wrote: post #5

> A powerful company enables genocide in Gaza, helps ICE separate families, and fuels Trump’s war with Iran. Ah yes, European issues

Also "ICE separate[s] families" is such a ridiculous mischaracterization it makes me question all their other arguments.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by kakacik »

0x3f wrote: post #10
kylecazar wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things Palantir does in other countries is fine cause for not wanting it deployed in your own

Perhaps, but one would think those aren't the prime issues meriting first mention. I went in hoping for details of what Palantir is doing wrong _in Europe_, but all I got was some rallying the base cliches.

We prefer seeing all humans as equal, and not setting their value based on their passports like US does.

Also, shit done elsewhere will be repeated in all other places, no reason to doubt that.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by porridgeraisin »

karl11 wrote: post #77

I don't think there has ever been a company so poorly understood (willfully or otherwise) as Palantir. They make a software platform, it does not come with any data, does not come connected to any datasources, etc. You can literally sign up right now for a trial and see this for yourself. It looks the same if you were to purchase a license. This headline might as well say 'Say No to PostgreSQL' or 'Say No to Excel' o…

I think when people go against palantir, they are specifically against gotham - their govt/intelligence-only product. It is true that gotham is an app built on top of foundry just like any business builds on top of foundry. But in this case since palantir itself is the one building it (and heavily marketing it may I say) they get the bad rep for it.

If XYZ Inc. built gotham with palantir supplying them foundry, palantir can claim to be "just like postgres".

This all matters only if you're actually against gotham / automated surveillance, of course, and believe that it was not happening until alex karp.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by grsmvg »

polyamid23 wrote: post #76
KellyCriterion wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ex-Colleagues are launching a startup right now: No US-Services from the beginning on, only OpenSource and this new EU-Office thingy. I think more companies will join the train? Esp new & smaller ones, for sure there is no option for bigCorp like ASML to be free of US-cloud, but maybe its gaining traction.

What new EU-Office thingy?

Reading this interview and the comments doesn't really spark a lot of confidence in the product (in Dutch): https://tweakers.net/reviews/14562/nextcloud-met-een-strik-e...

I paints the picture of it being mostly a hyped marketing wrapper around Nextcloud that hasn't even launched yet.

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