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Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by inaros »

chopete3 wrote: post #27

>> Palantir enables genocide in Gaza, helps ICE separate families, and fuels Trump’s war with Iran. Out of technical curiosity,where do we find more on how Palatir is helping technically?. Types of ML jobs they are running? Open source or AI models they are using.

"Palantir’s Architecture: Analyzing the Ethics of Surveillance AI" - https://erikabarker.ai/data-analysis/the-palantir-paradox-de...

"All the Ways Palantir is Assisting Trump’s Abusive Removal Campaign" - https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/palantir-deport...

"‘ELITE’: The Palantir App ICE Uses to Find Neighborhoods to Raid" - https://www.404media.co/elite-the-palantir-app-ice-uses-to-f...

"The seer and the seen: Surveying Palantir’s surveillance platform" - https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01972243.2022.2...

"ICE Using Palantir Tool That Feeds On Medicaid Data" - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/01/report-ice-using-palan...

"How one company – Palantir – is mapping the nation’s data" - https://theconversation.com/when-the-government-can-see-ever...

"AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is far more worrying" - https://www.theguardian.com/news/2026/mar/26/ai-got-the-blam...

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by 0x3f »

yulker wrote: post #32
0x3f wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's quite odd how Europeans will see and describe themselves only in terms of being a US vassal.

they functionally have been since ww2. why is it odd that they have a clear understanding of their relative position to the hegemonic power?

China's been behind too, but at least they're trying something.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by scorpionfeet »

gzread wrote: post #2

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Because some people are natural followers and won’t do anything unless there is a nice safe herd doing it. In this case we actually need a herd to push back against authoritarianism. And if people don’t feel empowered until they feel safe then enough protestors must stand up to create that critical mass. It’s a painful irony: people won’t mobilize because no one has mobilized. What makes it worse is the mocking of the protestors for having the courage to go first.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by KellyCriterion »

epolanski wrote: post #36

Instantly signed up. I'm already moving most of my clients out of any US-based offering. Azure and Jira are sticky, but they'll be out sooner or later.

Ex-Colleagues are launching a startup right now: No US-Services from the beginning on, only OpenSource and this new EU-Office thingy.

I think more companies will join the train? Esp new & smaller ones, for sure there is no option for bigCorp like ASML to be free of US-cloud, but maybe its gaining traction.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by bdangubic »

FpUser wrote: post #35
victorbjorklund wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Public opinion can def have effect if you live in a democracy. Politicians rather pay more for something else if they think it will help them / avoid hurt them. Might not work in America though.

>"Public opinion can def have effect if you live in a democracy." Having ability to choose between 2 sides of the same ass does not look like much of democracy. Never mind the money the candidate has to have and where this money comes from. And what happens to this democracy when the bills come due and the interest on government borrowing "on behalf" can no longer be paid.

when the bills come due you just print more money :)

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by MrScruff »

scorpionfeet wrote: post #38
Mordisquitos wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. It is very disappointing that they chose that as the opening paragraph of their "Why" section, without even making the attempt to relate those points as to why Palantir in Europe would be bad for European citizens. As someone who strongly supports European digital sovereignty and eliminating dependency on the US, I'm frankly very tired of so damn much of the activist discourse around these issues revolving ar…

One at a time. Just because you can’t stop all crime doesn’t mean you don’t try to stop any crime. What is it with HN bros and their love of fallicies?

Calling everyone you disagree with a 'bro' doesn't make your point any more convincing.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by g-b-r »

g-b-r wrote: post #37
deaux wrote: post #11

Sure, Europe should absolutely be saying no to Palantir. However > A powerful company enables genocide in Gaza, helps ICE separate families, and fuels Trump’s war with Iran So does Google, so does Meta, so does Oracle. What do you think all that Palantir software runs on in the clouds? On Palantir's own huge datacenters? They don'thave those. The huge bulk of it runs on it on clouds provided my Microsoft, Amazon, Goo…

The owners of the other companies are at least not as openly opposed to democracy, though. Meta sure causes more damage right now, but banning Palantir, which wouldn't even cause big problems, is an absolute no-brainer

Hmm well except Oracle's owner..

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by tossandthrow »

tinco wrote: post #40
linhns wrote: post #4

Europe can regulate anything out. Palantir should be no different.

No we can't. In the early 2000s we desperately tried to get our governments to be less dependent on Microsoft and we completely failed. Europe is not a federation like the US, worse many of the countries in Europe themselves are governed much like federations. We are easy prey for big American corporations. It's easy for Palantir to sell their product and then a thousand little government organizations will claim the…

Now, the EU can, using the anti coercion instrument.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by [deleted] »

pavlov wrote: post #7
gzread wrote: post #2

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Awareness can ultimately change things. Suffragettes were ridiculed for collecting petitions in support of women’s right to vote. Who cares about papers filled with women’s signatures? How could that change something as fundamental as who gets to vote in a democracy? The power of Big Tech money in today’s Western democracies is a similar tenet that’s just taken for granted. How could it ever change? Until it does, an…

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Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by lokimedes »

Even Alex Karp openly recommends European countries to roll their own alternatives. If anyone in Europe insists on Palantir it’s by their own volition.

The hard work is integration and data workflows, that is hard work regardless of the chosen “exploitation interface”.

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