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Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by e2le »

epolanski wrote: post #59
SlightlyLeftPad wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good news, Atlassian is technically an Australian company.

I don't think it is. I liked a simpler world we lived without having to worry or look where a company was from. But since this administration has started to threaten allies and keeps this nonsensical trade balance and tariffs argument (which never accounts for the very bulk of what US really exports: IT and financial services which are never included in the trade balance nonsense) you need to answer in some way. And…

> which never accounts for the very bulk of what US really exports: IT and financial services

Given the growing demand to move away from US services and towards European alternatives, I wonder what the US will look like in 10 years if this move gains significant momentum.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by nerfbatplz »

chopete3 wrote: post #27

>> Palantir enables genocide in Gaza, helps ICE separate families, and fuels Trump’s war with Iran. Out of technical curiosity,where do we find more on how Palatir is helping technically?. Types of ML jobs they are running? Open source or AI models they are using.

Palantir is part of the IDF's kill chain. In Gaza that means supporting the automated targeting systems that choose targets with little to no human oversight, and then the automated tracking systems that follow targets until they are at home with their families so that the entire family can be killed at once.

https://www.business-humanrights.org/es/%C3%BAltimas-noticia...

https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

>Lavender and systems like Where’s Daddy? were thus combined with deadly effect, killing entire families, sources said. By adding a name from the Lavender-generated lists to the Where’s Daddy? home tracking system, A. explained, the marked person would be placed under ongoing surveillance, and could be attacked as soon as they set foot in their home, collapsing the house on everyone inside.

>“Let’s say you calculate [that there is one] Hamas [operative] plus 10 [civilians in the house],” A. said. “Usually, these 10 will be women and children. So absurdly, it turns out that most of the people you killed were women and children.”

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by kakacik »

SlightlyLeftPad wrote: post #52
epolanski wrote: post #36

Instantly signed up. I'm already moving most of my clients out of any US-based offering. Azure and Jira are sticky, but they'll be out sooner or later.

Good news, Atlassian is technically an Australian company.

5-eyes, a bit tricky... but yeah anything that isnt a direct data pipeline to US gov and 3-letter agencies is a massive longterm win, in security and economy

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by badlibrarian »

delichon wrote: post #53

Isn't this a bit like foregoing the use of gunpowder because it isn't chivalrous? If your enemies don't agree it doesn't end well.

No, because gunpowder has no loyalty, no terms of service, no American CEO who can be forced to testify before Congress and say interesting things about European defense customers or provide lists of who has a tattoo or not.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by polyamid23 »

KellyCriterion wrote: post #44
epolanski wrote: post #36

Instantly signed up. I'm already moving most of my clients out of any US-based offering. Azure and Jira are sticky, but they'll be out sooner or later.

Ex-Colleagues are launching a startup right now: No US-Services from the beginning on, only OpenSource and this new EU-Office thingy. I think more companies will join the train? Esp new & smaller ones, for sure there is no option for bigCorp like ASML to be free of US-cloud, but maybe its gaining traction.

What new EU-Office thingy?

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by karl11 »

I don't think there has ever been a company so poorly understood (willfully or otherwise) as Palantir. They make a software platform, it does not come with any data, does not come connected to any datasources, etc. You can literally sign up right now for a trial and see this for yourself. It looks the same if you were to purchase a license. This headline might as well say 'Say No to PostgreSQL' or 'Say No to Excel' or 'Say No to Salesforce', etc. Wild.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by raincole »

airstrike wrote: post #58
delichon wrote: post #53

Isn't this a bit like foregoing the use of gunpowder because it isn't chivalrous? If your enemies don't agree it doesn't end well.

Not at all. It's against using Palantir specifically, not against the idea of something like Palantir "but European". It's literally at the very top of the article: - Stop signing new contracts with Palantir. - Review and phase out existing contracts with the company. - Invest in transparent, publicly accountable European alternatives. And Palantir isn't like gunpowder, so I'm not even sure the analogy had any legs t…

Half of the comments in this thread are expressing how they're very against the idea of something like Palantir "but European". It seems like some Europeans really believe that handicapping themselves is a good idea.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by nicklo »

or say yes? decel mentality like this is why europe is falling behind. some poor startup will try to backfill these contracts to be the new palantir of europe only to be cut at the knees by regulation and more outcry think piece boycotts like this. rinse and repeat until the us and china become the only relevant acceleration hubs on earth during the singularity
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